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Sup Katana

What do you think the OP's chances are of getting the ban reduced and if he tries how should he proceed?

Wait a year minimum, submit a professional letter admitting you were wrong and how you love the casino and want to come back. Maybe throw in that the dealer didn't tell you that you couldn't blindly swap cards after the first instance, so you thought it was ok.

Throw in a little more fluff, yadda yadda yadda, but in all actuality I've seen at minimum 20 of those letters in our office.

Number of times I've seen the higher ups go "hey, lift this ban and let him back in!"....exactly 0.

Wow really? Do you have any idea why the bans weren't lifted? Like maybe not enough time had passed, or the person made excuses in the letter, the person did something really bad, etc. I guess I'm also curious how good or bad the letters really were.

Honestly, the main reason was not to override anybody elses decision. Usually a lifelong ban is going to be decided by someone pretty high up the chain.

Someone underneath that person isn't really going to go to war too hard with their boss over a suspected cheater, and the people above them are going to trust in the initial decision and back the person who originally decided on the ban.

In the end, it's all politics, just like any other office.

I have a guess: the only reason they'd probably lift a ban is if the person was a huge donator at table games, like typically gambles tens of thousands every time he plays. Otherwise, they don't care about or need you as a customer.

So, why WOULD they bother lifting a ban, especially if there's even a possibility they could have the same issue again with the person and their boss would be like, "wait, we already banned this guy--who let him back in?" No one wants to be the guy who makes that mistake.

Hey, I appreciate you posting, since you actually worked in security. Not overly excited about what you've witnessed thus far concerning the lifting of bans, but I figured it's worth a shot to send a letter.

There are definitely other places to play, so the more annoying thing is actually not being able to set foot into any MGM property, especially when being out there with friends who may want to check out a certain club or show.

Any idea if hosts can help get a higher ups attention in the security department? I've got friends who are pro athletes and despite not being huge gamblers definitely have plenty of money and spend pretty well while in Vegas. Would a host have any pull at all?

Thanks again for providing some "inside" info!

I guess I just expected the odds to be higher. I've read articles about a couple of guys getting bans lifted at Caesars Properties after writing letters (and I also read about a couple of attempts that were unsuccessful). The guys were not suspected cheaters though. One was being drunk and obnoxious and the other was accused of throwing his girlfriends clothes out the window.

You mean Carter Gill? There was a thread on this in NVG.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...-wsop-1204629/

Yeah it was Carter Gill. I think he even showed up to play in a WSOP event when he was still banned.

You might also consider reaching out to the Aria's two representatives: JCB and/or Hellmuth. If you get one of them behind your cause you can get it done. I think JCB has a 2+2 handle where you could pm him but can't remember what it is. He's tight w Baldwin and has done a lot worse than this

While I think PH is the greatest poker player to have ever walked the earth(reading this Phil?), I'm not sure if he'd be willing to use some of that white magic to help an unknown with something as serious as a lifetime ban.

Not sure who JCB is, but if you do and have a way to direct him to this thread and he can get something done, I've got a Benjamin on it!

Its JRB not JCB.

Thx!

Lol, I just read it as JRB...didn't even notice the error

A lifetime ban for this is ludicrous.

"Don't do it again. You're banned for 1 month."

"Ok. I'm sorry."

Thx, man!

I'm hoping they lift the ban, but haven't received a response to my letters as of today. Didn't really expect that to be much of an urgent matter to them, so I'll continue waiting.

If anyone happens to know someone at Aria with some pull that could look at this case, I'll put a black chip on it if their help leads to a resolution.

Good luck with the appeal... kind of sounds stupid but you'll get it lifted

Thanks!

How could you possibly know he'll get it lifted?

Exodus 9:1

Then the Lord said to Moses, "Go to Pharaoh and say to him, 'This is what the Lord, the God of the Hebrews, says: "Let my people go, so that they may worship me."

Study Notes: This is the fifth time God sent Moses back to Pharaoh with the demand "Let my people go!" By this time, Moses may have been tired and discouraged to obey. But when faced with a difficult conflict, don't give up when you know what is the right thing to do. As Moses discovered, persistence is rewarded.

Seems pretty simple to me. OP is Moses, the casino is Pharaoh and Exodus9 is head of security for Aria.

Definitely a lock this ban gets lifted.

I guess the OP could try turning the Bellagio fountains into blood but good luck with that.

Post 227 from a guy who worked in security on the Strip said this:

So I wouldn't exactly be expecting much. I still think the OP has a chance but anybody who says they know for sure is just speculating.

Exodus 7:20-21

Moses and Aaron did just as the Lord had commanded. He raised his staff in the presence of Pharaoh and his officials and struck the water of the Nile, and all the water was changed into blood. The fish in the Nile died, and the river smelled so bad that the Egyptians could not drink its water. Blood was everywhere in Egypt.

So Las Vegas is Egypt and the Nile is the Bellagio fountains. And of course the fish are the poker players that die because they can't have fun at the poker tables. And well.... a lot of people at the table smell, so there's also that.

I'm trying really hard to be the shepherd.

Isn't that considered cheating and could land you with ban??

Umm, what???