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Old 06-19-2017, 09:58 AM   #76
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Re: Anyone have experience being trespassed at CET over something minor?

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After reading all the things that don't work to get reinstated, Is there anybody who has a story about how they (or someone they know) were allowed back?
I wrote that I and several high stakes team black jack players have been hard barred on multiple occasions. One of which was forcefully backroomed and WE called the police that the rio was committing false imprisonment. We had an extremely adversarial relationship with them. They knew our exact names and everything about us (thanks to the griffin detective agency)

I also had a teammate get rip roaring drunk and got caught stealing an orb like thing from the voodoo lounge.

All of us are now able to play poker in the rio. I had a single teammate have issues registering for a wsop event many years ago...but that issue was quickly resolved.

One time at caesars they tried to back room a teammate of mine and I went ballistic. He was virtually out the door when the heat came down and security had grabbed him forcefully. I was leading a crew and I was not about to let them intimidate my guys and was not fukken around. I basically stopped all of the action on the floor screaming at the top of my lungs to get Bruce Ber-----ock on the floor (the at the time casino mgr). The floor was dead silent for a solid 5 minutes while this unfolded.

My point being that if after a scene like that I can go play...give it a year, nut up and see what happens. If they give you and sht say you are terribly sorry...you were intoxicated and thought they just wanted you out of there for the night and you will leave immidiately
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Old 06-19-2017, 11:15 AM   #77
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My point being that if after a scene like that I can go play...give it a year, nut up and see what happens. If they give you and sht say you are terribly sorry...you were intoxicated and thought they just wanted you out of there for the night and you will leave immidiately

I personally do not subscribe to your philosophy. There is a non-zero chance you will be arrested and relying on a story about not understand terms is fraught with risk.
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Old 06-19-2017, 11:23 AM   #78
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You ARE allowed to buy alcohol if accompanied by a minor. Parents go in with their children and buy alcohol all the time. However, you can't buy alcohol if accompanied by an adult without an ID. This was a major point of contention in the argument I had. I asked them to explain this policy and three or four differently employees failed to provide a coherent explanation.
So the solution was to have a tantrum like a child?
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Old 06-19-2017, 11:56 AM   #79
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I personally do not subscribe to your philosophy. There is a non-zero chance you will be arrested and relying on a story about not understand terms is fraught with risk.
Thats totally cool and I can completely understand your thought process in that regard. I am simply relaying what has happened to me and dozens of people that I know who have been trespassed at CET properties. None of us has ever been arrested for violating our trespass.
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Old 06-19-2017, 12:02 PM   #80
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Thats totally cool and I can completely understand your thought process in that regard. I am simply relaying what has happened to me and dozens of people that I know who have been trespassed at CET properties. None of us has ever been arrested for violating our trespass.

Can they confiscate your winnings or even your played amount?

I know they do that with minors since they are not allowed to play.
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Old 06-19-2017, 12:04 PM   #81
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It would also seem to be an extremely not relaxing experience knowing at any time you could be arrested simply for being on the property. All it takes is for one bored security guard to make life hell.


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Old 06-19-2017, 12:20 PM   #82
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Re: Anyone have experience being trespassed at CET over something minor?

I am not aa lawyer and will not even hazard a guess. However, we played high stakes and blasted through CTR's like nobodys business. After having been 86'd at a CET property and then getting re 86'ed neither myself nor of my associates have ever had our winnings confiscated.

They never called metro. I think if they did metro would simply laugh and say,"y'all got a bunch o card counters down there and they have been 86'd - they're tryin 2 gambool an you want us to arrest 'em...gimme a break we got some real crimes to solve"
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Old 06-19-2017, 12:27 PM   #83
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In vegas I was asked for my ID a lot when using a credit card. Not having one on you is kind dumb.

Just to roast OP a bit but you actually threw a tantrum over wanting to pay for a bottle of alcohol you could have gotten cheaper outside the casino

hope it works out for you.
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Old 06-19-2017, 12:50 PM   #84
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I don't think this part is an accurate characterization. I swatted my hand once at a couple plastic toys in front of me. I doubt anything was damaged, and if it was, it couldn't have been more than a couple dollars. Certainly no more damage than someone who creases a card at the poker table.
It's not a matter of how much value in damage you have done. If that was the case, they would have told you to buy all of the toys you broke. But they didn't mention paying for anything because for them it is not you braking $30 worth of merchandise that concerns them. The issue for them is having someone who might turn violent on property. If you happen to hit someone in the casino (employee or customer) this will cost them potentially millions and that is why you were told to leave. You would have to gamble and lose millions of dollars for them to look for a way to reinstate you.

Don't try to justify it. You were 100% wrong especially when this all started with them refusing to sell you alcohol. No one is gonna argue with a business who refused to make money selling you alcohol to error on the side of caution because they felt that the alcohol might go to a minor. It doesn't matter if you have the legal right to buy something as an adult, they can refuse service to anyone so next time don't turn it into a scene. You will never win that fight.
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Old 06-19-2017, 01:02 PM   #85
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I am not aa lawyer and will not even hazard a guess. However, we played high stakes and blasted through CTR's like nobodys business. After having been 86'd at a CET property and then getting re 86'ed neither myself nor of my associates have ever had our winnings confiscated.

They never called metro. I think if they did metro would simply laugh and say,"y'all got a bunch o card counters down there and they have been 86'd - they're tryin 2 gambool an you want us to arrest 'em...gimme a break we got some real crimes to solve"
You are braver than I am. I think Metro would take any call from a casino seriously. That is who pays them.
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Old 06-19-2017, 01:07 PM   #86
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Lol. No ID, drugs, strip club party. Probably a hooker.
I'd say highly likely. Security's #1 way to run off a bunch of hookers is to ask them for their ID's. Most don't carry them (or won't show them).
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Old 06-19-2017, 01:11 PM   #87
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I'd say highly likely. Security's #1 way to run off a bunch of hookers is to ask them for their ID's. Most don't carry them (or won't show them).
She had an ID, she just left it in my room while we went down to buy the alcohol. And she wasn't asked for ID by security, but by the store clerk. Security was not involved until quite a bit later after we left the store, she went back to my room, and I returned to the store alone.
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Old 06-19-2017, 01:18 PM   #88
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I am not aa lawyer and will not even hazard a guess. However, we played high stakes and blasted through CTR's like nobodys business. After having been 86'd at a CET property and then getting re 86'ed neither myself nor of my associates have ever had our winnings confiscated.

They never called metro. I think if they did metro would simply laugh and say,"y'all got a bunch o card counters down there and they have been 86'd - they're tryin 2 gambool an you want us to arrest 'em...gimme a break we got some real crimes to solve"
There's the difference. You were booted because you won too much money. OP was booted for causing a disturbance. Are you willing to go sit at a blackjack table just to see what would happen? Did you get a trespass warning?

From the casino's point of view, you can easily enter the casino and never be involved in the activity that got you booted. In OP's case, he might cause trouble anywhere in the casino.
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Old 06-19-2017, 02:49 PM   #89
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Re: Anyone have experience being trespassed at CET over something minor?

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Yes - I have been 86'd for playing blackjack and returned to play more blackjack and have been re 86'd for doing so. I honestly do not know how many times I have been 86'd at the rio (not soft barred but read the trespass act) its a pretty big number. I know multiple people who have done the same. I have been to the rio with a rating card and deposited/withdrawn $ at the cage from wsop.com since. And as stated earlier I have multiple buddies that have played in wsop events that have been 86'd for blackjack.

Also as I have stated I have an associate who had been 86'd for attempting to steal an orb like thing from the voodoo lounge. He has since returned with no incident.

If I were to sit at a blackjack table today as soon as I fire in a decent size bet they will look me up and turf my ass out.
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Old 06-19-2017, 04:41 PM   #90
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She had an ID, she just left it in my room while we went down to buy the alcohol. And she wasn't asked for ID by security, but by the store clerk. Security was not involved until quite a bit later after we left the store, she went back to my room, and I returned to the store alone.
Can your story get any more convoluted?

Did she try to buy the whiskey on the first attempt, or you?

Are you saying the clerk remembered you "quite a bit later" (after the initial purchase attempt) when you returned to the store alone?

If you had a problem, why did you go back to the same store?
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Old 06-19-2017, 04:48 PM   #91
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Can your story get any more convoluted?

Did she try to buy the whiskey on the first attempt, or you?

Are you saying the clerk remembered you "quite a bit later" (after the initial purchase attempt) when you returned to the store alone?

If you had a problem, why did you go back to the same store?
I tried to buy the bottle the first time, she was just in the store with me. I came back to the store just a few minutes later; it was probably twenty minutes after that I asked for security after speaking to two employees there and another on the phone. I went to the same store because I had a girl waiting for me in my room and wanted to get back as soon as possible. Obviously several of my decisions were not thought through very well.
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Old 06-19-2017, 05:19 PM   #92
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Blood supply to the big head being limited and all....
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Old 06-21-2017, 04:30 AM   #93
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I was a high profile high stakes team playing 21 perfessional. I was on a first name basis with multiple casino managers. I have been read the trespass act at every CET property on the strip. In fact I was read it at the RIO multiple times in one weekend. I no longer play 21 and I have a CET card and play poker and have zero issues entering and playing in any CET property. I have multiple former teammates and partners who have also been read the trespass act at multiple CET properties and now play without issue (we all stay away from the pit but play poker). Two of my former teammates were 86'd from the rio for 21 went on to later win bracelets in poker

So if it was truly something as small as you claim it shouldnt be an issue imho
Could be a bit of work getting the right employee to either expunge your record or issue a waiver for the WSOP, but it can be done with the right approach, tone of remorse, etc.

And yes, the likes of Andy Bloch and others have been formally trespassed ... they play at the WSOP just fine.
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Old 06-21-2017, 05:12 AM   #94
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I am not aa lawyer and will not even hazard a guess. However, we played high stakes and blasted through CTR's like nobodys business. After having been 86'd at a CET property and then getting re 86'ed neither myself nor of my associates have ever had our winnings confiscated.

They never called metro. I think if they did metro would simply laugh and say,"y'all got a bunch o card counters down there and they have been 86'd - they're tryin 2 gambool an you want us to arrest 'em...gimme a break we got some real crimes to solve"
Oh man, Walt... in all due respect, you know that RWM, James G., and gambling lawyer pal, Bob N., are all sources on Metro officers misbehaving / overreacting when it comes to these things.

It's not like the phone call goes, "Hey this is Rio security. There are some card counters who have been asked to leave, and they won't do so voluntarily," (probably a lie) but more like, "OMG there are cheaters here omg omg we don't know what's going on. They are trying to walk out with tens of thousands of dollars in chips. Come quick!"

And as we know once a property decides to take the step from back off to trespass, bosses are not in the mood to be fair with you. It's not a pit boss's job to explain to security that a patron didn't do anything illegal, and I'm sure Bob N. has cross examined more than one Metro cop who thought card counting was cheating ergo illegal.

OP, Katana1979 (former casino security guard) probably knows best. You need to find the single CET employee with the authority to reverse the ban. I wonder if Kevmath can point you in the right direction.
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She had an ID, she just left it in my room while we went down to buy the alcohol. And she wasn't asked for ID by security, but by the store clerk. Security was not involved until quite a bit later after we left the store, she went back to my room, and I returned to the store alone.
I understand security didn't ask for her ID, I was just explaining why hookers don't carry IDs in casinos.

Sounds like she was more of a stripper/party girl than a full on hooker, but prob not smart to leave her in your hotel room alone when you went back to the store.

Sucks you already had her in your room but she needed more booze
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Old 06-21-2017, 09:56 AM   #96
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And was too cheap to use the mini bar but instead walked her downstairs
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No mini-bars in Bally's unless you get a whale suite. No room service at night either.
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Old 06-21-2017, 02:42 PM   #98
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I'm also quite skeptical that OP is the one that had security summoned.
Full potential conversation:

Clerk: Sir, if you don't lower your voice and leave, I am going to have to call security.

Customer: Screw you, I'm not being loud and I don't have to leave. Go ahead, call security, I don't give a crap...all I am trying to do is get my drink on.

Clerk: *picks up phone and dials

Clerk: Security, can you come to [location] ASAP.

Security: Be there in a few...

(a few minutes later)

Customer: why's my rights bein' readin'?

Customer: [telling story later] ...and then I had security summoned to the scene
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I understand security didn't ask for her ID, I was just explaining why hookers don't carry IDs in casinos.

Sounds like she was more of a stripper/party girl than a full on hooker, but prob not smart to leave her in your hotel room alone when you went back to the store.

Sucks you already had her in your room but she needed more booze
She was a bartender FWIW. I didn't really have anything valuable in the room. And trusting people does have its advantages, in that she did trust me enough to stay with her the following day.

I actually did have a Bumble date with a Spearmint Rhino stripper earlier in the trip. That one was pretty uneventful though.

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