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04-04-2010 , 05:51 PM
i'm in need of some more
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04-04-2010 , 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by spring83
noticing a big trend in your game there matt....you tend to do most of your maneuvering on the turn. is this something that you have always done or just incorporated into your game over the years? for example, you will check back flop then raise turn, or call flop and raise turn, etc. also, when you have hands like that KQ hand where he said he folded AQ, how come you are raising the turn? are you turning your hand into a bluff? ive seen you do this a couple times, where you have tons of showdown value and will raise. im not being critical or anything of your play, just kinda wanna get deeper into your thought processes.

ps, great reads, keep em up!
No need to apologize for being critical, after all that's the only way I'll ever improve my game. I never really realized that I make most of my moves on the turn but I think you're definitely on to something. In that particular hand with KQ, I called the check raise on the flop thinking I may have been good. But after a second barrel on the QJT8 board I think I'm good like never. Luckily for me I had a perfect shove size left after he bet. Also if he happened to look me up with 2 pair or AA I'm certainly not drawing dead either.

On another note I'm writing up my final (and most interesting) session from the Vegas trip later tonight. Should be up by tomorrow morning or afternoon
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04-05-2010 , 09:25 PM
Final Day

Awaking on our final day I was met with an all too familiar feeling of anxiety. At the conclusion of every trip I’ve taken, dating back to family vacations as a kid, I’ve experienced some degree of anxiousness. This is relevant because anxiety and patience aren’t quite Corona and Lime when it comes to collaboration. And every poker player knows that unless your name is Tom Dwan you cannot succeed on the felt without exhibiting patience.

An experienced professional (or anyone who values money for that matter) might’ve taken the afternoon off. With only one day remaining in town, I chose to play. Making my way to Bellagio, I stopped off at the “supposedly” world famous Pink’s hot dogs. After chowing down their version of the Chicago dog, I boldly concluded that Pinks was tastier then Portillos (Anyone from Chicago knows the magnitude of that statement). My fellow Chicagoan roommates dismissed the notion, blaming my judgment on the booze and lack of sleep.

The 5/10 game was slow when I arrived, but it would soon pick up. I was seated in the 8, coincidentally next to the same mid 40’s European gentleman as the day before. We got to talking and I asked him how long he was in town for. “6 weeks” he said while adding that he makes the trip annually. “Just for cards?” I ask. “Cards and clubbing” he responds. I laugh at what I believe to be a joke. He looks confused, guess it wasn’t a joke…

My first interesting hand came about when I was dealt A9 in the CO. UTG opened the action with a limp and I bumped it up to 50. The BTN called, as did UTG. The flop hit me hard with the A92. Checked to me I wanted to bet, but saw the BTN counting out chips. I elected to check and he made me look brilliant by firing 100. UTG called quickly and I bumped it up to 300. After countless chip shuffles the kid on the BTN folded, followed immediately by UTG’s all-in for 500 all day. I called while asking the dealer to refrain from turning over diamonds. Luckily the Ace on the turn made the river diamond irrelevant. My 45 year old club hopping friend tells me nice hand and that he “likes the way I play.” I smile and soak in the Ego boost. Sometime between then and my return from the pisser, the most important player in the game sat down….

Even though he showed up wearing aviators and an expensive watch, there was no confusing this guy with a poker player of any real skill or intelligence. In fact, he played each of his first 5 hands to the river, flipping over cards like Q7 and T6. It was like a gift sent from god; Reimbursement for my “Sauna experience.”

Sitting on a 1500 dollar stack I looked down at AQ. The fish raised it up to 50 as he had been doing about 70% of the time. 3 callers later and I opted to raise the action up to 280 in the SB. As I expected, the fish called. What I didn’t expect was the CO’s all-in bet for 650 all day. I can’t say I was overly confidant I had him beat, but with the money in the pot I had to reshove and make the fish pay. He chose to fold. The board rolled out 842 Q K and I flipped up my AQ expecting to be winning a good amount of the time. That is until he trumped me with his AK.

Frustration mixed with anxiety proved to be a detrimental recipe. Searching my brain for a way I could’ve played the hand differently, I was pleasantly disrupted by another big hand. The very next hand the same fish raised it up to the same 50 UTG. 3 players AGAIN called, and I saw another must raise opportunity. With AJ on the BTN I made it 300. The fish called with 300 behind. QQ2 flop and BOOM the fish bets it all. I blame it on Pot Odds and stick in the bet. The final two cards roll out 8 K and I officially can’t beat anything. However, the fish shakes his head to indicate a raggedy hand. He flips his hand and I see a 4 and then…a 2. I laugh to cope with the embarrassment. I can’t help but wonder what my club hopping admirer thinks of my game now.

I rebuy for the 1500 vowing not to get out of line. Rounds go by and I continue to fold as the fish slowly builds his stack somewhere north of 2500 dollars. My anxiety grows. What if he leaves and I miss my chance? With my thoughts racing, I’m given one more opportunity to win my chips back. ..

With TT in the BB I reraise his MP raise to 200. He calls, to which I assess him a range of somewhere between 24 and Q7. Flop brings 665 and even though it’s my turn to act, he bets out 300. It’s not the first time he’s bet out of turn. In fact, I’m fairly certain he’s under the impression that post flop it’s a “first come, first served” system. I don’t mind however and shove in for 1300 all day, fully expecting him to call with any pair or draw. The enemy points at my chips, nods his head and says “call”. The pot is somewhere around 3k. The turn is a safe 3 and the river a seemingly harmless 2. The enemy starts smirking and I’m not sure what to make of it. That is until he flips up 54 for the runner runner straight.

I don’t waste any time in getting as far away from that table as humanly possible. I say good game, wish everyone luck and bolt to the Venetian to meet up with my roommates. Amidst a wind storm that’s only getting stronger, I don’t even flinch. Later in the night we head to the airport for the red eye flight back to Cincinnati. By the time we make our way to the airport I’ve calmed down, but still feel overwhelmingly dejected. A complete reversal of the pride and confidence I felt after leaving Vegas in January. Losing is one thing, but losing 2500 to a player of that caliber was very disheartening.

Although I finished the trip right around even on the poker front, it felt like a big loser with the great start I got off too. It’s tough not winning, especially after the profit I showed last trip. But for my well-being I'll chalk it up to variance, work on my game, and return for my next trip a stronger player with growing expectations.

Miami Matt
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04-05-2010 , 09:36 PM
I felt sick just reading that.
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04-05-2010 , 11:10 PM
Wow, I didn't know 5/10 donks like that existed, I thought they were all scattered between 1/2 and 2/5
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04-06-2010 , 06:43 AM
Why is it that players who constantly play garbage always win?

I once sat in a 3/6 limit game with a guy who played EVERYTHING and was beyond a maniac, and he couldn't lose. Amazing.
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04-06-2010 , 01:23 PM
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Why is it that players who constantly play garbage always win?

I once sat in a 3/6 limit game with a guy who played EVERYTHING and was beyond a maniac, and he couldn't lose. Amazing.
Those occurrences just stick in your mind better. People don't usually tell me their poker stories and recall all the times the hand played out as expected.

Tough beats OP, feel for ya.
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04-06-2010 , 02:30 PM
Damm op. When is there a next report ? Really sucks about with your last hand. You should open a blog man,i really enjoy your writing.
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04-07-2010 , 10:42 PM
well played both hands. can flat both hands, but you are ahead of the tables range at that point and good chance to iso the fish. tough luck though, geesh.
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04-08-2010 , 10:16 AM
well done matt. keep it up and I'll hopefully see you uptown this weekend for the national championship game
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04-08-2010 , 02:17 PM
Subscribed. Any plans of being in vegas during the wsop?
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04-08-2010 , 04:33 PM
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Subscribed. Any plans of being in vegas during the wsop?
If everything goes to plan I'll be there for the series. Currently looking for a 6 week rental for 2
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04-10-2010 , 12:38 AM
Have been a reader here for some time a have loved this thread really great writing skills. I am goin vegas for the first time this wsop not playing any of the events will be there just for the cas games as they should be quite juicy planning to spend alot of time at the V as that is where i have heard alot of good things any other recomendations for good 2/5 games? Any other 2 plus two readers out there for the wsop. Again great reports mooremoney keep it up.
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04-10-2010 , 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Aiden
any other recomendations for good 2/5 games?
IME Bellagio is the best 2/5 game in town ...OP is that your experience as well? Or have you only played the 5/10 at B?
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04-12-2010 , 05:17 AM
The thing that's really scary to me is how the heck aren't you a big winner online? You seem to have very solid fundamentals and a good head for the game. Maybe you were just unlucky to be playing 5/10 when Krantz was passing through and could probably beat 3/6 and 5/10 NL online now?
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04-12-2010 , 11:54 AM
probably because 2/5 live =/= 2/4, 3/6 online..
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04-12-2010 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by MegaFossil
The thing that's really scary to me is how the heck aren't you a big winner online? You seem to have very solid fundamentals and a good head for the game. Maybe you were just unlucky to be playing 5/10 when Krantz was passing through and could probably beat 3/6 and 5/10 NL online now?
It's funny you mention Krantz because him and I actually did cross paths at 3/6 and a little bit of 5/10NL years back. At the time I was taking coaching lessons from one of his partners WiltOnTilt. I liked WoT alot and felt like I was improving during the 4 or 5 lessons that we shared. However, at the same time I was beginning to mix it up alot with this Prynn1ad character on Full Tilt. I had no idea who he was as I don't think I used 2p2 at the time, but we weren't afraid to get involved with each other and were starting to develop a bit of a metagame.

Then during one session of light raising and reraising between Krantz and I we got it all in the middle for like 150BB preflop with his AQ taking down my AK. Fine, whatever, not a big deal. That is until he spent the next 5 minutes berating me in chat, trying to get under my skin. I didn't let it affect me, instead I just chalked it up as some immature teenager behavior.

All was good and well until it came time to pay WoT for coaching. He told me I could send the money to him or to "prynn1ad" on Full Tilt. I sort of chuckled to myself, wondering if it was the same player I had been battling with. I looked it up and sure enough it was. At the time (and to some degree now) I was a man of strong principles, pride, and a knack for holding grudges. So what I did was send WoT the money I owed him, along with a note explaining that I thoroughly enjoyed our sessions, but that I had too much pride to continue supporting a company that treated their customers (knowing or unknowingly) with disrespect.

As it turned out this was the downfall of my online poker career. I was at the point with my poker education from Wilt that I understood all of the topics he discussed and changes in my game, but not yet far along to apply them on my own. As a result my 40,000 dollar bankroll began to dwindle and before long half of it was gone. At the same time Krantz was blowing up and slowly becoming an online poker legend (I think it's pretty clear who won that battle!).

I never really looked for coaching after that, as 3bet.net was far and away the best coaching site on the web. I don't have any hard feeling towards Krantz or his company, in fact he sent me an email explaining how his play at a table doesn't reflect how he does buisness, I just no longer can afford $200/hr poker lessons.

So anyways I feel like I'm ranting I just thought it was ironic how you mentioned Krantz and sure enough he was (indirectly) the reason for my online poker downfall. Also If anyone has any suggestions for cheaper (100/hr max) online poker coaches that they reccommend, I would highly consider using them.

Matt
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04-12-2010 , 03:49 PM
Could you please just write about anything, I dont even care what it is! I love reading your stories, especially the angles you use in them..

Keep em coming,

PP
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04-12-2010 , 05:06 PM
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That asian sex is to unbelievable to be made up, who does that?
Asians IMO


Great trip reports, Matt, keep them coming
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04-12-2010 , 05:33 PM
Well the Krantz mention wasn't just a coincidence, I read the whole thread this past week (awesome thread btw) and saw that you had mentioned a couple months ago in one of your TRs about the end of your "serious" online days.

I know you'd probably love to crush 5/10 NL online someday, but it still seems like you should be able to beat 1/2 NL pretty good 6 tabling or something and make double what you could grinding 2/5 NL live. I guess I just don't understand why you wouldn't consider that. Maybe you enjoy live more I guess?
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04-12-2010 , 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by MooreMoney19
It's funny you mention Krantz because him and I actually did cross paths at 3/6 and a little bit of 5/10NL years back. At the time I was taking coaching lessons from one of his partners WiltOnTilt. I liked WoT alot and felt like I was improving during the 4 or 5 lessons that we shared. However, at the same time I was beginning to mix it up alot with this Prynn1ad character on Full Tilt. I had no idea who he was as I don't think I used 2p2 at the time, but we weren't afraid to get involved with each other and were starting to develop a bit of a metagame.

Then during one session of light raising and reraising between Krantz and I we got it all in the middle for like 150BB preflop with his AQ taking down my AK. Fine, whatever, not a big deal. That is until he spent the next 5 minutes berating me in chat, trying to get under my skin. I didn't let it affect me, instead I just chalked it up as some immature teenager behavior.

All was good and well until it came time to pay WoT for coaching. He told me I could send the money to him or to "prynn1ad" on Full Tilt. I sort of chuckled to myself, wondering if it was the same player I had been battling with. I looked it up and sure enough it was. At the time (and to some degree now) I was a man of strong principles, pride, and a knack for holding grudges. So what I did was send WoT the money I owed him, along with a note explaining that I thoroughly enjoyed our sessions, but that I had too much pride to continue supporting a company that treated their customers (knowing or unknowingly) with disrespect.

As it turned out this was the downfall of my online poker career. I was at the point with my poker education from Wilt that I understood all of the topics he discussed and changes in my game, but not yet far along to apply them on my own. As a result my 40,000 dollar bankroll began to dwindle and before long half of it was gone. At the same time Krantz was blowing up and slowly becoming an online poker legend (I think it's pretty clear who won that battle!).

I never really looked for coaching after that, as 3bet.net was far and away the best coaching site on the web. I don't have any hard feeling towards Krantz or his company, in fact he sent me an email explaining how his play at a table doesn't reflect how he does buisness, I just no longer can afford $200/hr poker lessons.

So anyways I feel like I'm ranting I just thought it was ironic how you mentioned Krantz and sure enough he was (indirectly) the reason for my online poker downfall. Also If anyone has any suggestions for cheaper (100/hr max) online poker coaches that they reccommend, I would highly consider using them.

Matt
mooremoney! crazy! someone just pointed me to this thread. we had some battles, brings back memories of the good ole days :-) i used to **** talk A LOT. too much for my own good.

if you don't hold a grudge (hopefully you don't!), hit me up over PM - the least i can do is hook you up with a free DC membership and maybe some coaching from one of our guys?
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04-12-2010 , 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by KRANTZ
mooremoney! crazy! someone just pointed me to this thread. we had some battles, brings back memories of the good ole days :-) i used to **** talk A LOT. too much for my own good.

if you don't hold a grudge (hopefully you don't!), hit me up over PM - the least i can do is hook you up with a free DC membership and maybe some coaching from one of our guys?
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04-13-2010 , 05:22 AM
i like this thread
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04-14-2010 , 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by MegaFossil
Well the Krantz mention wasn't just a coincidence, I read the whole thread this past week (awesome thread btw) and saw that you had mentioned a couple months ago in one of your TRs about the end of your "serious" online days.

I know you'd probably love to crush 5/10 NL online someday, but it still seems like you should be able to beat 1/2 NL pretty good 6 tabling or something and make double what you could grinding 2/5 NL live. I guess I just don't understand why you wouldn't consider that. Maybe you enjoy live more I guess?
I am completely confidant that I an beat low to mid stakes online. Except the thing is, every time I try I don't. The time I spent away from the online scene has clearly left me behind. However with the right type of guidance and start I know I have the poker intelligence to beat those games again.

As far as live goes, I do enjoy it more than online play. I enjoy the interaction, the stories and the psychological aspect to poker that goes missing once you do it behind a computer screen. But you are right, there is more money to be made online, and that's money I would love to have.

Matt
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04-14-2010 , 09:56 PM
Having read your final day report (excellent as usual), you need to spend some time reviewing Tommy Angelo's material. When you feel yourself "forcing" your play (to chase a fish, losses, or a last day), you're setting yourself up for failure.

If you take Krantz up on his offer, there's a video series on DC called "Eight Fold Path to Poker Enlightenment". It will really help your mindset and, in turn, your game.
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