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05-30-2023 , 11:27 AM
I've been trying to sort out what seem to be conflicting reports about just where the new baseball stadium will be built, has the County signed off on a site ?

I'm sure the answer is out here amongst the collective knowledge base of the teeming hordes of 2+2 viewers, I just am unclear whether this baseball venue will be

1. on the site of the current Tropicana Hotel, or
2. on land on the other side of the I 15 along Tropicana, the street .... i.e the same side of the freeway as the Raiders stadium, housing an earlier refugee franchise transplanted from Oakland, or
3. somewhere else.

Also, dome, retractable roof, centerfield swimming pool, onsite dispensary, exclusive deal for Miller beer, other design details ?

At least it won't get stuck somewhere out in Summerlein.

Last edited by Gzesh; 05-30-2023 at 11:34 AM.
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05-30-2023 , 11:34 AM
Get ready to give yourself an extra 45-60 minutes' travel time to the airport from the strip.
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05-30-2023 , 12:00 PM
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Get ready to give yourself an extra 45-60 minutes' travel time to the airport from the strip.
It's only a 2.3 mile walk from the corner of Tropicana and Las Vegas Blvd to the airport terminal

Retractable roof is the plan, that's a little difficult to tell from some of the renderings.
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05-31-2023 , 12:49 PM
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Get ready to give yourself an extra 45-60 minutes' travel time to the airport from the strip.
If you're a Muskovite, you'll believe he'll have the problem solved in 4 years.


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I'm not, but don't think it will be that bad. Traffic is fine on the highway before and after Raiders games. South Strip next to MGM won't **** things up.
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05-31-2023 , 02:03 PM
How are locals feeling about it? I’m not talking just about traffic and all that but are locals excited to go see a baseball game? If the A’s are as bad as they currently are, would you still go to see game? Anyone excited to buy season tickets? Is it all about sports betting?
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05-31-2023 , 03:50 PM
Saw highlights of the A's game the last couple night. Nobody's there, but that may be due to the announcement.

Unless they turn it around, I think there might be some novelty attendance early, then not much. Wouldn't expect it to affect strip traffic much.

Mostly people coincidentally there who notice "Hey, our team is in town, too! Wanna go see the game?" wandering over.
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05-31-2023 , 07:58 PM
Projecting a mlb team performance 4 years into the future is a crap shoot. Large market teams with a history of good performance would be expected to maintain such. But small and midsize market teams like Oakland are much more variable. They will have up and down streaks of multiple years. If ownership of A’s wants a competitive team in 4 years that is plenty of time to build one. Likewise it is more than enough time to dismantle a winner or even just allow time to deteriorate one.
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05-31-2023 , 08:14 PM
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It's only a 2.3 mile walk from the corner of Tropicana and Las Vegas Blvd to the airport terminal

Retractable roof is the plan, that's a little difficult to tell from some of the renderings.
I always laugh at your walking distances (in a good way).

What's the walk from MGM? 3 miles?
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05-31-2023 , 08:57 PM
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Projecting a mlb team performance 4 years into the future is a crap shoot. Large market teams with a history of good performance would be expected to maintain such. But small and midsize market teams like Oakland are much more variable. They will have up and down streaks of multiple years. If ownership of A’s wants a competitive team in 4 years that is plenty of time to build one. Likewise it is more than enough time to dismantle a winner or even just allow time to deteriorate one.
The question still stands. If the A’s are just as crappy then as they are now, will the locals go? Including after the novelty wears off?
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05-31-2023 , 09:37 PM
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How are locals feeling about it? IÂ’m not talking just about traffic and all that but are locals excited to go see a baseball game? If the AÂ’s are as bad as they currently are, would you still go to see game? Anyone excited to buy season tickets? Is it all about sports betting?
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1. Indifferent is the vibe I am getting but also not particularly excited about having to partially fund the new stadium via our taxes.
2. No
3. Not really
4. No...it's more about having a shiny new toy to try and induce business here for politicians & corporate executives and someone landing a contract to build a new stadium.

We only get one shot at getting a MLB team here and we need to do it right. Moving someone else's downtrodden, inept and notoriously cheap spending franchise here isn't doing it right. Plus there is little regional interest in the A's, other than their AAA team plays here (more on that below). It's not like the Raiders moving here, who have a massive regional following. The Dodgers would be the only team that could move here that would get people excited. I think holding out to get an expansion team somewhere down the line is the best option. Have that team establish roots in the community early on (like the Golden Knights did) and I think they would do well long-term even if the team is not great on the field.

It should be noted that the Tropicana sight is not a done deal and that the A's are actually looking for other venues behind the scenes. Their current AAA team plays in a newish 10,000 seat stadium in Summerlin and draws OK. But the location (in a nice area, VERY easy to get to and park) and the fact that it is not terribly expensive to attend games has something to do with that. I can't imagine most locals wanting to go down to the Strip regularly to catch a game, especially on a weeknight, unless they are playing the Yankees or some big name team like that.

The state legislature still has to pass a bill that will give the A's money from tax dollars and that isn't an easy sell to the public (Public Education is badly underfunded in Southern Nevada at least and is a sore spot with some). I really don't know how this is going to end up.
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06-01-2023 , 10:58 AM
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I always laugh at your walking distances (in a good way).

What's the walk from MGM? 3 miles?
That 2.3 mile walk gets you very close to the old MGM Grand main entrance just North of Tropicana & LVB. The new main lobby entrance is off Tropicana so you're actually walking past that on the way to the corner of Tropicana & LVB.

The walk from the airport to the East corner of the MGM self parking garage on Tropicana & Koval is just a bit over 1.8 miles. From there you walk almost half a mile to get to the West corner of MGM on the Strip. That's how crazy big that property is. Usually my Vegas walking is for shots and goggles and because I can. But if I'd ever stay at MGM again without big luggage, walking would qualify as the standard option for me.

3 miles gets you to Bellagio via Paradise & Harmon.

For the potential A's stadium, what percentage of visitors would even be locals? The number of Vegas residents that were born in the city is so low that I would assume a lot of locals already have a team from their home town.

The Golden Knights built a relatively solid fan base but when I went to a game it was still a pretty high number of visiting fans or people with no visible affiliation. Reminded me of back in the day at the Atlanta Thrashers where more people cheered when the opposing team scored. And I'd assume way more people who move to Vegas already have a favorite MLB team than a favorite hockey team?

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06-01-2023 , 11:15 AM
Anyone who has attended outdoor baseball in Las Vegas in the summer, which I have done at Cashman, would know that a domed stadium is a must.

I would prefer a nice, open stadium, but that is not reality here in the desert. No bleachers, no home run balls hit out to the street, sorry.It is just too f**king hot to sit for hours in direct desert sun on baseball stadium seats.

Las Vegas is likely a good baseball town, and, if priced well, including beer prices, it can draw visiting team fans, perhaps.

As for the public tax funding, add it to the room tax and let the casinos price structures bear the external cost of funding, rather than stick it to taxpayers in the general population. (I feel the same way about he F1 boondoggle this next couple of years.)
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06-01-2023 , 11:16 AM
I’m excited about it, it’s a major league baseball stadium right on the Strip. Be great to take in several games regardless how the team does.
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06-01-2023 , 11:22 AM
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Anyone who has attended outdoor baseball in Las Vegas in the summer, which I have done at Cashman, would know that a domed stadium is a must.
Why would a dome stadium be a must?

I don't see many reasons why they can have a retractable roof stadium in Phoenix but not in Vegas?

FWIW, the renderings show a stadium with a (partially) retractable roof.
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06-01-2023 , 11:23 AM
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I’m excited about it, it’s a major league baseball stadium right on the Strip. Be great to take in several games regardless how the team does.
I agree about going to games, but I really would like it to be west of the I-15, not on the Strip. The collateral game day traffic jams would be really bad for the Strip experience.

A baseball stadium CAN blend well into a busy area, see, San Diego for example, but a big Stadium would skew the Strip as a North-South viewing/cruising experience.
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06-01-2023 , 12:07 PM
Seems like retractable (or at least semi) is the way to go. Most games at night. Early and late season night game would be tolerable with the roof open, wouldn't they.

But it seems like even night games would be pretty unpleasant June-August ish?
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06-01-2023 , 12:44 PM
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I agree about going to games, but I really would like it to be west of the I-15, not on the Strip. The collateral game day traffic jams would be really bad for the Strip experience.

A baseball stadium CAN blend well into a busy area, see, San Diego for example, but a big Stadium would skew the Strip as a North-South viewing/cruising experience.
For my own selfish reasons Strip would be better as I live in a high rise right off it so I zip right over on monorail to MGM Grand

That aside, having it on the Strip adds a lot to the feel imo

But can see traffic concerns
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06-01-2023 , 03:26 PM
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Seems like retractable (or at least semi) is the way to go. Most games at night. Early and late season night game would be tolerable with the roof open, wouldn't they.

But it seems like even night games would be pretty unpleasant June-August ish?
I can see a retractable as fine.

Yeah, nights can be 100+, but that is tolerable, with beer.

It's the sun that's the killer. (I remember when Mandalay Bay literally twas frying people at their pool with a reflection from the hotel glass, as if they were ants under a magnifying glass in my mis-spent youth.)
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06-01-2023 , 04:04 PM
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(I remember when Mandalay Bay literally twas frying people at their pool with a reflection from the hotel glass, as if they were ants under a magnifying glass in my mis-spent youth.)
When did that happen at Mandalay Bay? I remember they had those "death rays" at Vdara during the summer of 2010, their first summer in business.

FWIW, there's only one MLB stadium with a fixed roof left, at Tampa Bay. And if they Rays have to keep playing in there, they're the next team to relocate. I don't think anything other than a retractable roof is on the table for the A's. The era of domes has passed a while ago.
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06-01-2023 , 06:50 PM
Not thrilled about it being built on the Strip if it means more blocked lanes and construction on the Strip. I want the A’s but not on the Tropicana site.

The last couple of days driving on the Strip or close to it have been extremely frustrating. Yesterday I gave up and just walked 30 minutes to my destination because I felt it was faster and far less frustrating than driving.
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06-01-2023 , 08:53 PM
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Saw highlights of the A's game the last couple night. Nobody's there, but that may be due to the announcement.

Unless they turn it around, I think there might be some novelty attendance early, then not much. Wouldn't expect it to affect strip traffic much.

Mostly people coincidentally there who notice "Hey, our team is in town, too! Wanna go see the game?" wandering over.
It's due to them being a toilet team in a toilet stadium. It's by far the worst stadium in baseball and there's a very good chance they finish with the worst record in modern MLB history.
Additionally after they were awful in 2021 and drawing horribly the owner RAISED ticket prices and parking bc he's trying to tank attendance.
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06-02-2023 , 01:30 PM
Right I get the sense they were almost trying to lose on purpose to help get out

I think they will improve and hopefully spend more but I think it will be successful regardless. Any team can win on any given day so even if team is bad you won’t be seeing blowouts daily

Plus seeing stars of other team. You can be gambling in the pits, then walk across the street and see Ohtani.

Yeah traffic will be bad but whatever. Wouldn’t be same off strip. Vegas suburbs are just like a hotter version of Kentucky
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06-02-2023 , 04:26 PM
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Right I get the sense they were almost trying to lose on purpose to help get out

I think they will improve and hopefully spend more but I think it will be successful regardless. Any team can win on any given day so even if team is bad you won’t be seeing blowouts daily

Plus seeing stars of other team. You can be gambling in the pits, then walk across the street and see Ohtani.

Yeah traffic will be bad but whatever. Wouldn’t be same off strip. Vegas suburbs are just like a hotter version of Kentucky
I don’t know how bad traffic will be, but if it’s bad enough drivers will not be saying “whatever.” Drivers will be frustrated and furious. Who wants to see the light turn green and not move an inch? Then try to change lanes but you feel stuck because it’s so jammed? Of course the A’s don’t give a **** about that.

I actually think off strip would be awesome. You can drive something like 20 minutes away and see those stars, and drive back to the Strip with traffic not being such a nightmare.

I’m more concerned with traffic when the stadium is being built though. If the street is busy the last 20 minutes before a game and the 20 minutes after a game, that would be an annoyance but nowhere near as bad as what is happening on the Strip right now.
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06-02-2023 , 04:29 PM
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Right I get the sense they were almost trying to lose on purpose to help get out

I think they will improve and hopefully spend more but I think it will be successful regardless. Any team can win on any given day so even if team is bad you won’t be seeing blowouts daily

Plus seeing stars of other team. You can be gambling in the pits, then walk across the street and see Ohtani.

Yeah traffic will be bad but whatever. Wouldn’t be same off strip. Vegas suburbs are just like a hotter version of Kentucky
Talking blocks off strip not in a suburb 10 miles away. Might even be a walkable distance from strip in nice weather. Heck many folks have walked to Rio/Palms which are west of interstate. 5,000 fans making this walk before and after a game gonna be safer than a couple at 2AM.

If A’s move is already a done deal, tanking to enable a move doesn’t make sense. Could be something with the current stadium contract.
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06-02-2023 , 04:30 PM
I think a bigger annoyance is the MGM casinos surrounding the stadium will jack up parking fees 81 times a year because it’s another “event night.”

The NYNY garage recently charged $40 around 2-3 hours before a regular season Knights game and the employees working there didn’t accept my Pearl card for the first time ever.

Also traffic will be much worse when there is another event going on nearby at the same time.
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