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09-17-2016 , 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by IAMthepokerhack
All teams should be forced to build, maintain, and pay property taxes on the stadiums they use-the notion that anything else is equitable for anyone but the people who need it the least (billionaire owners) is ludicrous.
If they did this, NFL teams wouldn't be able to pay backup quarterbacks $7 million a year, and that would be a travesty.
09-17-2016 , 11:47 AM
This will be great. Would love to be able to catch a few games a year in Vegas.
09-17-2016 , 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by trixie
This will be great. Would love to be able to catch a few games a year in Vegas.
Start saving your money now.
09-17-2016 , 02:17 PM
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhocking
09-17-2016 , 04:54 PM
The Legislature must still approve this by a two-thirds margin and it will have to survive a likely November 2018 statewide ballot initiative. It is hard to think opponents will fail to get enough signatures on a petition when there is overwhelming public opposition to it. This is far from a done deal.
09-17-2016 , 06:27 PM
meh, people won't care what the room tax revenue is spent on. It's never going to go to the education system.
09-17-2016 , 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by NhlNut
meh, people won't care what the room tax revenue is spent on. It's never going to go to the education system.
About 44% of the current Clark County hotel tax goes to either CCSD or state school funding. Every poll on the topic not commissioned by Adelson/Sands shows that the public is very much opposed to using room taxes to fund a stadium.
09-18-2016 , 12:24 AM
Just my opinion.

This will be a disaster. If I was going to visit Nevada I wouldn't feel comfortable attending a game with raiders fans. IDK I just feel like in terms of sports Vegas is for Boxing/MMA.

I really don't like this part of article "The stadium’s backers point out that an increased hotel room tax would cover the public financing"

The resort fees are bad enough.
09-18-2016 , 01:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Pokeraddict
About 44% of the current Clark County hotel tax goes to either CCSD or state school funding. Every poll on the topic not commissioned by Adelson/Sands shows that the public is very much opposed to using room taxes to fund a stadium.
(hangs head in shame)
Considering LV almost approved a stadium for a non-existent soccer team, I don't see public opinion making a difference. RJ will propagate pure manure. Teachers union will make a ruckus, and get paid off. What other group can make a fuss?
I'm praying Oakland makes a quality offer and the Raiders don't get approval to move. Would serve them right.
09-18-2016 , 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by NhlNut
(hangs head in shame)
Considering LV almost approved a stadium for a non-existent soccer team, I don't see public opinion making a difference. RJ will propagate pure manure. Teachers union will make a ruckus, and get paid off. What other group can make a fuss?
I'm praying Oakland makes a quality offer and the Raiders don't get approval to move. Would serve them right.
The Culinary Union is vocally opposed. The Libertarian Party just launched a campaign to fight it.

It will take a two-thirds vote in Legislature. GOP controls senate 11-10 and assembly 25-17. The stadium needs 14 votes in senate and 28 in the assembly. I don't think it is an automatic that six democrats swing to do Adelson a favor. The caucus as a whole is opposed to it.

If there isn't a special session, it seems like a given that the GOP will lose some seats and there is no way it passes in 2017. My guess is that is part of why there is such a push. Adelson is likely to be afraid some of his buddies will lose seats.

The 2014 election was a fluke. There wasn't a viable democratic candidate that opposed Sandoval. "None of these candidates" won the democratic primary. Democrats stayed home. That won't happen this cycle.

The Legislature could also vote with 50% to kick it to the Clark County Commission. That makeup isn't favorable either. There is a strong case that Governor Sandoval won't waste anyone's time if he doesn't think the 2/3 vote is already there.

Of course the whole thing could be rigged anyway and it would be up to grassroots campaigns to get it on the ballot to stop it. I think a $1.65 billion gift to Adelson so he can try and buy the Raiders will anger enough people to make that happen.
09-18-2016 , 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Pokeraddict
The 2014 election was a fluke. There wasn't a viable democratic candidate that opposed Sandoval. "None of these candidates" won the democratic primary. Democrats stayed home. That won't happen this cycle.
You forgot that the candidate that did run did not have the support of the Democratic party. When the RJ called and asked him why anyone should vote for him over Sandoval, he said "I don't know".
09-18-2016 , 10:57 PM
This is a leverage play in the negotiations with OAK. Likely location for the 2020 Raiders is right home in Oakland CA.

There is about 99% of the way to on a Vegas franchise. Don't let the comical, chronically under informed "Press" (The 25 year old writing from M+D's for SB Nation) pull your strings.

There are 7 Mil people in the Bay Area. Please explain how a place with 600k people, 50% from somewhere else, nurturing a bad economy could even support a team.
09-19-2016 , 04:05 AM
There's over 2M people living in Clark County Nevada with probably 95%+ living within 30-40 minutes of any proposed stadium site. The city of Las Vegas and their 600k population is just a tiny part of the metro area.

The stadium does help out UNLV and that's another 5-7 dates per year plus I'm sure it will host one or more college bowl games but the UNLV program isn't remotely close to deserving anything like this kind of facility. Baylor built a brand new stadium a few years ago for under $300M.

That said, lol at spending this much public money on a stadium and especially to help out Adelson who just wants to divert that money away from the Riviera site convention expansion.
09-19-2016 , 09:15 AM
LV has been rickrolled. As soon as TPTB came out in favor of taxing Las Vegans (LOL tourists) Comm. Goodell announced he will try and keep the Raiders in Oakland. This was all a ruse to see if LV would really pass a tax.
09-19-2016 , 12:34 PM
There are so many variables and moving parts that have to align correctly still that I'm waiting till this becomes much more concrete before really thinking about it.

On the one hand, I would love a professional football team in town but I really hate using tax dollars to help out old rich dudes get even richer. I'm really torn.
09-19-2016 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by mrducks
but I really hate using tax dollars to help out old rich dudes get even richer
The money ends with them anyway though. The only difference is the way the money goes and the amount of time it takes.
09-19-2016 , 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Motherflopper
There are 7 Mil people in the Bay Area.
90% of whom prefer the 49ers over the Raiders. The Raiders have a fairly loyal fan base but it's the red headed stepchild of the Bay Area family.

There's a map somewhere of how the NFL has divided the country into territories. The 49ers "own" the vast majority of the Bay Area and one of the reasons people were so mad about the move from Candlestick Park to Levi's Stadium is yhat the South Bay was considered neutral for a long time.
09-19-2016 , 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by callipygian
90% of whom prefer the 49ers over the Raiders. The Raiders have a fairly loyal fan base but it's the red headed stepchild of the Bay Area family.

There's a map somewhere of how the NFL has divided the country into territories. The 49ers "own" the vast majority of the Bay Area and one of the reasons people were so mad about the move from Candlestick Park to Levi's Stadium is yhat the South Bay was considered neutral for a long time.
To be clear I don't condone what the Raiders are doing. Nobody here (I live in Oakland) wants to be a loyal fan when every other year there's a multimillion dollar campaign to say how badly Oakland sucks.
09-19-2016 , 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Motherflopper
There is about 99% of the way to on a Vegas franchise. Don't let the comical, chronically under informed "Press" (The 25 year old writing from M+D's for SB Nation) pull your strings.

There are 7 Mil people in the Bay Area. Please explain how a place with 600k people, 50% from somewhere else, nurturing a bad economy could even support a team.
So, your plan is to attack the media for being under-informed, then you spew out that idiotic 600k stat that ignores North Las Vegas, Henderson, and the entirety of unincorporated Clark County - which brings the population up to 2.2 million within 30 minutes of where the stadium would be.

Pot, meet kettle.
09-19-2016 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by IAMthepokerhack
All teams should be forced to build, maintain, and pay property taxes on the stadiums they use-the notion that anything else is equitable for anyone but the people who need it the least (billionaire owners) is ludicrous.
I understand the idea, but A forced by who the government( this isn't N.Korea) B these types of practices are how they became billionaires, why would they change.
09-19-2016 , 11:39 PM
The key to the scam is that politicians of all stripes abandon all pretense of fiscal conservatism as soon as someone promises them a seat in the skybox.
09-20-2016 , 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by NhlNut
(hangs head in shame)
Considering LV almost approved a stadium for a non-existent soccer team, I don't see public opinion making a difference. RJ will propagate pure manure. Teachers union will make a ruckus, and get paid off. What other group can make a fuss?
I'm praying Oakland makes a quality offer and the Raiders don't get approval to move. Would serve them right.
Oakland has pretty much nothing to offer.
09-20-2016 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
Oakland has pretty much nothing to offer.
Oakland will pretty much offer what an NFL team is actually worth.

There are 8 home games per year, maybe 10 (but never 11) if they make it deep into the playoffs. At $750 million amortized over 20 years, that's about $5 million per game that the taxpayers are paying for the privilege of being called an NFL city. Over 50k seats, each ass in chair at each game is being subsidized by the public at $100 per seat per game - that's arguably more than the stadium will get from people who pay to go to games.

This is a giant corporate welfare scheme starring Sheldon Adelson as the crack smoking Dish watching using food stamps to buy 40s stereotype.
09-21-2016 , 06:14 PM
Here is the offer to keep Raiders in Oakland from a group led my Ronnie Lott and involving other very wealthy individuals. It creates a private stadium and pays off the public debt still carried on the Oakland Coliseum from the Mt. Davis expansion.

If the offer is legit, the NFL in Las Vegas discussion becomes moot. It is hard to imagine that NFL owners would vote for Las Vegas and Adelson over this powerful group of businessmen trying to keep a team in an existing market that is one of the largest in the country. Would Davis even try?

It feels like Las Vegas was used as pawns to get the Raiders a new stadium in Oakland. Who knew?

http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2016/09/...rs-in-oakland/

Last edited by John Mehaffey; 09-21-2016 at 06:20 PM.
09-21-2016 , 08:57 PM
LV is the new LA

      
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