Hey Alex, whats the cost for a CR membership these days? Do they have DRM free vids now, cause i still have some i cant watch since my membership expired...

Since I'm involved with Pokerzion, might as well explain. DC, BF, CR's, etc... all of these sites are good. The primary selling point of Pokerzion over any of these other sites is the courses are completely structured. You're getting a set lesson plan sent to your inbox every week. You also have free accessible material like videos, video trainers, written modules, etc... that you can access any time.

Also all of the content is written by top LONG TERM winning mid and high stakes pros. There aren't 50 coaches, but the quality of the instructors is top notch. Also you're going to get feedback in the forums on a regular basis.

Just my simple plug. I never plug PZ on this forum, but it's a great value versus what other sites offer imho.

So all those shill accounts advertising leakbuster, poker zion and a few of your other products that were the same IP as yours that I had to ban were somebody else then, right?

mmm, I'd tread lightly. I've never created shill accounts and posted on here. Sorry, you can research and look into it all you want, but I never have. I know over a year ago someone from our office posted something without our knowledge, and it wasn't even really shilling, but we addressed the issue.

Here are two of the accounts that I remember. I don't know how this qualifies as "not even really shilling" but I am glad you addressed the issue (and you can probably see where I was coming from now if this is the first you've seen these posts).

That's just a sample too, there were more, and many more that were deleted.

Yup, was aware of those, and that was addressed a year ago. I don't have time to spam forums, and even though I've contributed plenty to this forum over the years I haven't pimped or shilled Pokerzion. Put in my name + Pokerzion since you have plenty of time to do so.

It's kind of a ridiculous assertion to make in a public forum without better facts honestly. But regardless, it's not something my company condones.

Check your PM

I don't see what's ridiculous about it. Clearly somebody in your company, with the same IPs multiple times as your account, has spammed your products heavily on this site before. I was one of the volunteers that had to clean up after that mess. So no, I don't see what is ridiculous about it, other than the picture you've tried to paint after I elaborated on it and the work that had to be done to track down accounts, ban spammers and delete posts.

I'll try to make it more clear then. You accused me of something without proper information, that is clearly untrue. There is no way, and no how that I'd have the same IP as the person who did it, because I know the person who did (as stated earlier). It was a support person in our office. They were asked to address any questions or comments they saw on forums, and took it a step too far. We addressed it - a year ago. It hasn't happened since. As head of the company I take (and took) responsibility, but I never once myself have spammed anything or directed anyone in my company to do so.

I run the same forum software. You can check the IP's as you know, so not sure why you continue to make the same false accusation, and make it sound like some exhaustive mess you dealt with. Really? Just drop it and move on.

I don't know what to say about the IP thing other than you shared an IP with two other accounts. If you worked at an office together, that would likely mean you've shared IPs, that's all I was saying ("who is this spammer?" "IP check" "oh IP matches freakdaddy, owner of the products that are being spammed" that's what I meant).

I'm fine to move on, I just didn't think you were really painting an accurate picture, and pushing back at me rather than admitting there was a bunch of spam that didn't stop after the first banned account, was clearly shill posting unlike what you said above, and actually did take some time to deal with, because it was across multiple accounts, multiple forums and was ongoing.

And I got on you because you came in here and specifically made a point that you don't promote your website on the forums when you (your business*) did. And then I continued to get on you because you decided to say it wasn't really shilling, no big deal, ah you just have a bunch of time on your hands, gets your facts right, etc.

No, no one was ever on my computer, ever. I have 14 people that work for me, and no one ever touches my system.

And my initial post was stating that I never said anything about pokerzion - the best training site that exist today . I've said plenty about leak buster, ace poker drills, and other products and I'll continue to do so where appropriate. I'm glad you squared that away and explained it so well. It's completely clear to no one, because no one really cares.

Did cleaning up the LB spam take more time than all the posting, and fact checking that you did here in this thread? Time wise how does it compare exactly? Did you stop for snacks? I * (my business) bets that you did.

I already admitted my wrong, guess you never will with yours, but I * (my business) accept your apology regardless. Lighten up... do you look like your avatar in real life? Just curious.

I just wanted to step in here and clarify something. This post makes it sound like CRy was making accusations without checking them first. He did check IPs, and there were matches. I just checked myself, and you have 4 IP matches with 2Cord McCord, and 3 IP matches with Jimmy Nubs. These aren't false accusations, they're cold hard facts.

Now, it's great to hear this isn't something you condone, it hasn't happened since, and it was done without your knowledge. I'm not passing judgement here; as you say, it happened quite a while ago and you say you dealt with it. Excellent. But I wanted to clarify that CRy's post about IP matches was completely accurate, lest he come out of this sounding like he's making things up.

Does anyone have experience with '"TPE''? TournamentPokerEdge, Mtt/SNG site? would like to hear some reviews

Bobo, I have no idea how those would be the same. FYI, obviously if there's an IP match, it doesn't mean someone did something, but of course if that WERE the case I understand how the conclusion would be drawn. The whole approach and how he jumped in here to "prove a point" was a little ridiculous. I'm over it.

Thanks A LOT Alex, I really appreciate your offer.

Looking to join one training site (DC, Leggo, BFP, CR, blablabla). Which one fits best with nl fullring? any series recommendations?

Any advice would be apreciated.

^ there's only 14 NL FR cash vids on BFP, they're good tho', you could use the 7 day free trial

there are 66 on leggo but none are by the best vid producers (aejones, bttech86, luckychewy, cameos from sauce123 and ansky), only lesser known ones. they're still all good winning players but i'm not too familiar with them. it's an excellent site for 6max and HU

DC and CR have 200 and 161, always solid content and well-produced, some quite old tho'. Mix of great authors and not so good. i'd say stuff by newmanmi/dj sensei/fslexduck/balugawhale on DC and verneer/mdorand/jballer88 is best

I'm biased, but I think CardRunners has the spectrum of limits, depth, and quality to help a player of any level in NL FR. Here are my recommendations:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/12...unners-949263/

Lots of feedback in this thread:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/61...-edge-1109194/

Ty for the recommendations guys.

thank you

freak daddy, i don't know who you are and i don't know anything about poker zion except that this annoying kid used to work there (i just remembered his online name was loosefer) and frequently pretended to be friends with me and brag about how he played high stakes. he used to bum hunt 25-50 ABSURDLY hard and one day spent 20 minutes talking to me about how much i'd have to pay him to play 25-50 hu, i finally agreed to $2 a hand, and he said he was very interested but would have to get back to me. of course we never played.

i remember this kid because he spent HIS ENTIRE WAKING LIFE trying to pimp poker zion, including, but not limited to, talking about it on poker stars. i used to be embarrassed for the kid because he tried so hard to fit in and consider himself a high stakes player, despite the fact that he was the most boring, nonthinking poker layer of all time (the running joke was among high stakes players was "how do you know it's a good game? if loosefer or leatherass is sitting in the game!") and probably wouldn't beat 2-4 without extreme game selection.

now, i dont' know what happened to this kid or if he's still affiliated with your site, but he was at one time a very big shill, if he did have a 2p2 account (i assume he did) im sure he found ways to spam it. i used to cringe with embarrassment everytime i'd see a random account pimp poker zion because i knew there couldn't actually be players going there and learning something and wanting to spam it on 2p2 (although im sure they were "encouraged").

im sorry i took the time out to even say this, but i forgot that poker zion existed and i don't consider them a competitor but i do remember VAST amounts of spamming going on related to them in the past, and it seemed relevant, so i thought i'd share.

I'll pretend like I didn't see this. Your post and how you carry yourself speak for itself.

That kid (and yes he's a kid and so are you), Russell Blattberg (the guy who sucks who was one of the top tournament winners for years, has a bracelet, and as horrible as he may be is a long term winning high stakes player) is one of the nicest, coolest, friendliest people in the game of poker. He actually cares about others, and takes time out of his day to enrich the lives of others around him. You could learn a lot from him.

I never asked one person to spam anything about pokerzion. Never did and never will. The site does plenty well on it's own because we have a team of people who spend time with students, and focus on quality content.

I hope you find peace inside yourself one day, because it's beyond obvious you have some things to work out.

i am simply addressing the issue of spam and made my post because it seemed relevant to the issue at hand (you disagreeing with chicago about spam issues). one thing i can't stand is hypocrisy. if you have (or had) a major spam problem in the past with people affiliated with poker zion, just say it. i was a shill for leggo when it first got started because of how much i believed in the product-- i now realize that if the product is worthy, people will come. i resist the urge to plug it at every waking moment because i am not paying for the ad space.

you did a very poor job of pretending like you didn't see that post, imo.

also, i really wish you'd pretend you didn't know me.

We haven't, and since you care so much, if you had read the thread you'd see that we did acknowledge an issue that occurred with spam a year ago. We fired that person some time back. Not just because of spam, but because of other poor judgments they made.

And if you read anymore, you'd realize that my post was about the fact that I NEVER post comments about pokerzion on here, even though there are legitimate opportunities to do so in threads like these (and I have seen you and other people from other sites do so). I feel the exact same way as you do about shilling products, plus the fact I don't have time. If it's good, people are going to talk about it, or recommend it.

I acknowledge and know that Russ pimps pokerzion a lot (or has in the past). It's just his personality. Trust me when I say we've had plenty of talks about mellowing out. But his a real good kid, and has a big heart. It's hard to discourage him.

Your wit is great btw... I'll give you that.