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05-07-2010 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by peterpjames
Deuces Cracked and Leggo Poker both have free trials...I think Poker Savvy does as well. Try them out!

DC and Leggo focus on cash games, though there is tournament stuff also. PS probably has more tourney stuff.

It's definitely worth it, depending on your bankroll, what games you want to play, etc. Without Leggo poker especially I wouldn't have made anything near what I have made over the past few years.
I don't have a very large bankroll. I'm tournament player, but I am really very interested in learning to play cash games well.

Have you by any chance read HoH Cash Games? I have started the first one. I'm guessing that a combination of both the training sites and the books can greatly improve your game.

How many sites do you pay for each month?
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05-07-2010 , 04:20 PM
I play the $4 and $11. 180s against quite a few players with the PokerXfactor logos. Can anyone tell me if this is this one of the better sites for tournament poker?
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05-07-2010 , 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by fear
what % of all their videos is PLO content?
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05-07-2010 , 09:26 PM
about an hour into my 7 day trial of Card Runners I decided I don't like poker training sites... at least not that one. Holy ****.
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05-07-2010 , 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by d3 fact0
what % of all their videos is PLO content?
We only offer a few PLO videos and they are all sng content.

By no means would I recommend somebody joining our site for PLO content, we have videos but they are more as a means to satisfy NL husng player's urges to venture into other games and have a decent idea of winning strategy when they do.

You're probably better off watching PLO hu cash videos from the major training sites if you want to get into PLO husngs. Unless you play NL husngs, in which case you should still take a look at the major training sites (off the top of my head not sure which site leads the way in Hu PLO cash), as 3 videos is only enough to get a decent idea of what you should be doing and why.

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05-08-2010 , 10:47 AM
tx for the reply chicagory!
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05-08-2010 , 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoRy
We only offer a few PLO videos and they are all sng content.

By no means would I recommend somebody joining our site for PLO content, we have videos but they are more as a means to satisfy NL husng player's urges to venture into other games and have a decent idea of winning strategy when they do.

You're probably better off watching PLO hu cash videos from the major training sites if you want to get into PLO husngs. Unless you play NL husngs, in which case you should still take a look at the major training sites (off the top of my head not sure which site leads the way in Hu PLO cash), as 3 videos is only enough to get a decent idea of what you should be doing and why.
I would think Bluefire.
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05-08-2010 , 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by MarieTheKitten
Is it worth it to invest in a poker training site? If so which one(s)?

Money is a concern for me right now. I like Deuces Cracked pricing but I don't really like that they're not rated well for MTTs (according to a review site I just went to).

It appears to be BlueFire and CardRunners that are the best two, but CardRunners requires a $100 sign up fee (ridiculous, IMO).. however if it will greatly improve my game and turn my $500 into $1000+ I will gladly invest the extra $100 plus the $30 / month.

What do you think?
I definitely recommend using the trials at all the sites to find one you feel fits you best. For MTT's specifically I am always hearing people talk about PokerPwnage. I can't really speak about them as I am not a member. I am a member of Drag the Bar. The MTT coaches there like chipsteela, 7delux, and HeyImDro have all had great success this year and are putting out some quality videos. I would definitely check out DTB.
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05-08-2010 , 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by MarieTheKitten
I don't have a very large bankroll. I'm tournament player, but I am really very interested in learning to play cash games well.

Have you by any chance read HoH Cash Games? I have started the first one. I'm guessing that a combination of both the training sites and the books can greatly improve your game.

How many sites do you pay for each month?
Haven't read the HOH books.

I get Cardrunners for free and then subscribe to Leggo and DC...used to get Stox before it closed, and Bluefire as well. Oh yeah, Drag the Bar too. But you don't need as many if your bankroll is small, one tops would be fine.
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05-08-2010 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by MarieTheKitten
about an hour into my 7 day trial of Card Runners I decided I don't like poker training sites... at least not that one. Holy ****.
I don't like some things about CR but their video depth is pretty great...what don't you like about it?
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05-09-2010 , 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by MarieTheKitten
about an hour into my 7 day trial of Card Runners I decided I don't like poker training sites... at least not that one. Holy ****.
well the point to make there is cardrunners recently just did a merger, as well migrated to a new website designed.
even now they have taken note of all the feedback on the website, and are working on that feedback.

so i think you picked the wrong time to try the 7 day trail, and if you had tried it next month, it would of been all the differnce i think.
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05-09-2010 , 04:39 PM
I have a friend who loves poker and is deaf. Are there any training sites or other video aids for poker training with subtitles so I can show him videos to help out his game?
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05-09-2010 , 05:05 PM
Hey, want to move into NLHE 6Max, from HUSNG's. What site would be the best for a player crossing over?

Potentially also some PLO content (from scratch)...
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05-09-2010 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by MarieTheKitten
about an hour into my 7 day trial of Card Runners I decided I don't like poker training sites... at least not that one. Holy ****.
I'm a DC guy myself, but seriously you don't like CR?! I'd be there if I could afford, & will when I get more volume at FT. I'd snap to that site in a heartbeat given the chance.
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05-09-2010 , 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by PanchoStern
I'm a DC guy myself, but seriously you don't like CR?! I'd be there if I could afford, & will when I get more volume at FT. I'd snap to that site in a heartbeat given the chance.
The issue for him is probably that the site has been very buggy since they just did a revamp and are working hard to get it solid again. CR is still the best if you can actually get to the content!
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05-09-2010 , 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by m.rhodes
Hey, want to move into NLHE 6Max, from HUSNG's. What site would be the best for a player crossing over?

Potentially also some PLO content (from scratch)...
Leggo is pretty epic, DC 2nd in my book.
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05-10-2010 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ajloeffl
The issue for him is probably that the site has been very buggy since they just did a revamp and are working hard to get it solid again. CR is still the best if you can actually get to the content!
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Maybe I didn't give it much of a chance. I'm not a huge fan of the live videos. But I also only tried a few low-stake MTT videos, and I wasn't crazy about them. I realize there are more "instructional" videos there, but what about for people who don't have a lot of money and can't afford the large stakes? Are the videos for big-stake MTTs still very valuable for me right now with my smaller bankroll?

I very much like the style of the videos on FT Academy (aside from the terrible soundtrack music, haha) so something like that would be great.
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05-10-2010 , 12:41 PM
So I was really excited about the "recent" coaches leggopoker has signed, more specifically boywonder and nutsinho.

Now what has happened since.

We have the 10th of may, boywonder produced 2 videos since signing in December 2009.

-January 1st
-February 28th

That is 2 videos in almost 5 months, come on.

Similar for nutsinho, was signed produced one video:

- March 5th

That means also no new video in over 2 months.
What is the point of signing these great people if they don't produce videos?? It just sounds like a cheap marketing trick to me, sign them up, get people to sign up/extend their subscription and then don't produce any more (expensive) videos.

The videos are the thing people sign up for, if you sign up good coaches people expect to see videos of them. Nobody pays for being able to read their blog. Next you sign up Phil Ivey and let him review one hand history once a year?

Of course I am exaggerating here to make my point, I just don't see how it is hard for a coach to bring out just one video a month, especially when it is one of the coaches people are most eager to see.
I think this is misleading customers and doubtful business practice.
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05-10-2010 , 12:43 PM
Watch it OP, luckychewy could be lurking around here somewhere, and he may just put a hit out on you.
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05-10-2010 , 12:50 PM
I agree its a bit disappointing, there is still good people making videos there tho, but I also was really excited about nutsinho.

personally I didn't renew my membership this month I'll focus on grinding and see what happens there in future.
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05-10-2010 , 02:24 PM
there are some training site review ,, i am not sure which one you went to marie, (and there was a thread about how some of them arent' exactly bias but still )
pokertrainingguide
pokertrainingreviews.net
http://www.parttimepoker.com/poker-t...g-review-chart
http://pokercurious.com/categories/training_sites/
and lots of these don't get updated, example who knows how long it will be before the new cardrunners info get posted, i only seen one mention stoxpoker demise.

so your best bet is to look at each and decide
1. which sounds best for mtt without any sing up for you

2. and i would go to each site and look at their video libary for beginning mtts, power point.

drag the bar has beginner guide to mtt 1 to 5, guide to mtt 1 to 3,

grinders school has the only demo video i seen that mentioned mzone in it , and has some small stakes mtts.

poker zion which some reviews say is good for mtts , has a mentoring system i was thinking of checking out for blackchip.

I have no idea about real poker training..

3. try their customer support, make sure it is easy to cancel your membership before signing up somewhere.
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05-10-2010 , 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Aki86
So I was really excited about the "recent" coaches leggopoker has signed, more specifically boywonder and nutsinho.

Now what has happened since.

We have the 10th of may, boywonder produced 2 videos since signing in December 2009.

-January 1st
-February 28th

That is 2 videos in almost 5 months, come on.

Similar for nutsinho, was signed produced one video:

- March 5th

That means also no new video in over 2 months.
What is the point of signing these great people if they don't produce videos?? It just sounds like a cheap marketing trick to me, sign them up, get people to sign up/extend their subscription and then don't produce any more (expensive) videos.

The videos are the thing people sign up for, if you sign up good coaches people expect to see videos of them. Nobody pays for being able to read their blog. Next you sign up Phil Ivey and let him review one hand history once a year?

Of course I am exaggerating here to make my point, I just don't see how it is hard for a coach to bring out just one video a month, especially when it is one of the coaches people are most eager to see.
I think this is misleading customers and doubtful business practice.
Hey,

I understand you want to see more content from two of the best producers on Leggo. Who wouldn't?

Often it takes months and months to get these guys to make their first video. BoyWonder contemplated it for over a year and Nutsinho has been under pressure from Aaron for what I imagine was an equally long time.

I promise you, when we get more content from Ben and Rich we will not delay putting it on the site, it will go up right away. If they choose to only make one video a year (just a hypothetical number) Leggo would be fine with that. If Ivey wants to be a part of Leggo and review one hand a year then he knows where to find us.

We are very happy Ben and Rich chose Leggo over all the other sites and we are thrilled with any contribution they choose to make. We do not force anyone (video producers or subscribers) to be a bigger part of Leggo than they want to be.

If you think about it, it would be ridiculous for me to say " Ben, Rich, if you guys can't commit to at least one video a month then you are out. It is misleading to Leggo members and the confusion it presents more than offsets the added value you bring to Leggo." Once you factor in our producers don't make videos for the money, but simply because they want to, it becomes impossible to demand anything and we can only be extremely grateful they chose to make videos in the first place.

I think you can see how our hands our tied and I hope this clears things up. While everyone at Leggo would love to see more videos from these two (and other) producers we are at their mercy. If they have other stuff going on or simply decide not to make a video for three months, there is nothing we can do except be supportive and respect their decisions.

Matt

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05-10-2010 , 09:37 PM
One thing I wanted to clear up: We are clearly not skimping on the # of videos our top guys can put out. They can do as many as they want. Last month alone we had three videos from me, two videos from shootaa, two videos from Luckychewy, a video from bttech/ben86, and a video from theashman103.

It's hard to possibly explain how fickle video producers are. The poker industry is young and moves very fast. People change their minds and their goals as poker players overnight. All the owners and operators of other poker training sites will tell you the same thing.

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05-10-2010 , 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Aki86
So I was really excited about the "recent" coaches leggopoker has signed, more specifically boywonder and nutsinho.

Now what has happened since.

We have the 10th of may, boywonder produced 2 videos since signing in December 2009.

-January 1st
-February 28th

That is 2 videos in almost 5 months, come on.

Similar for nutsinho, was signed produced one video:

- March 5th

That means also no new video in over 2 months.
What is the point of signing these great people if they don't produce videos?? It just sounds like a cheap marketing trick to me, sign them up, get people to sign up/extend their subscription and then don't produce any more (expensive) videos.

The videos are the thing people sign up for, if you sign up good coaches people expect to see videos of them. Nobody pays for being able to read their blog. Next you sign up Phil Ivey and let him review one hand history once a year?

Of course I am exaggerating here to make my point, I just don't see how it is hard for a coach to bring out just one video a month, especially when it is one of the coaches people are most eager to see.
I think this is misleading customers and doubtful business practice.
I agree with you. #1 I singed up for leggo was nutsinho videos, only I find he only he only has 1 video and Boywonder hasnt made any videos above 200NL. I really had my hopes up nutsinho would be releasing a ton of 25/50 NL videos, a limit that sorely needs more videos given how little has been discussed on it. I guess if aejones reads this id like him to know that he'd have my subscription for a long time if leggo releases good 25/50 - 100/200 videos like once every other week or so. I think nutsinho's 25/50 video was great, I just wish there were more of them!

On the bright side, I have to commend leggo and other training sites for really giving 10/20 a lot more careful attention this past year. Its really helped me a lot (thanks BobbyFitos, aejones, luckychewy, irockhoes, PoorUser, Krantz, ansky and others I cant think of)

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05-11-2010 , 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by aejones
One thing I wanted to clear up: We are clearly not skimping on the # of videos our top guys can put out. They can do as many as they want. Last month alone we had three videos from me, two videos from shootaa, two videos from Luckychewy, a video from bttech/ben86, and a video from theashman103.
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