Yeah this is true, all I'm saying is that their official policy on their website states

It turns out that you can email and cancel but it is frustrating that it says that and I had to email them just to find out I could email and cancel.

Is this because they are private (the other video producers) or because of fear of others understanding how they play and using this info against them. This should be a concern of a highly profitable player. Training sites for better or for worse have made the games tougher to beat for everyone.

Well, there are two things about this:

1. As for being incognito, I believed that it would be possible to combine this with making videos for Leggo. Privacy and not having people play back at me (not knowing what level they are on, whereas they may know which level I am on, is huge). This seemed possible at the time. If it had not been, I would never have signed up with any training site, not even close. I make my almost all my money playing, after all. Thankfully on Ipoker, it is allowed to have multiple screen-names (it is not frowned upon either, the term "multi-accounting" does not even exist on that site in a negative way among the regs), but had this been on FT or Stars it would have been a tougher situation for me.

2. You are doing yourself a disservice if you expect great entertainment and serious, in-depth study of the game at the same time (although in some very, very rare cases I have seen two combined). A lot of people have problems with "boring" videos, but guess what, it turns out that seriously studying and developing your game is "boring", just as studying for university exams are "boring" (trust me, I am studying for now, and it´s not fun). As far as we have come in the communal pokerdevelopment, this point has yet to hit home, and the reason a lot of people are still having trouble beating the games is probably due to the fact that they don´t want to endure "boring" studies. Coincidentally, the best videos I have seen by now on several of the sites have by far been the most boring ones by far, but their points will only hit home with a few and the general public that just wants to breeze through a video and then collect free money from the games will be left disappointed (not saying that is the case with my videos as people will have to judge this individually, but generally this seems to be the case).

Also, your target demographic is unclear. Are you aiming your video at very advanced players (say a lifetime 2,5 ptbb winner at 5/10), or somebody who is on their way (say a 100 no limit break-even reg)? A subgroup of people will always be unhappy regardless (especially if there is little entertainment value and the video can´t be watched with popcorn), so it may be an idea to target a specific demographic in the future, and state it as well.

Like iPoker, Cake (the site I play on) allows you to change your screenname aswell. But when you do, people's notes on you follow you around. Is this not the same on iPoker which would lead to your next SN simply being outer by those who outer your first?

Is there something I'm missing?

hey guys,

the current CR website was built in 2007-2008. it's pretty horribly out of date in some ways.

i expect the new version to be out in May. until then, if you need to cancel, feel free to email support, and i'm sorry it's a PITA.

taylor

It all depends on the player, Some people are better than other people at certain things..... I think that a signup fee is a complete joke and that is the reason I havent signed up for PXF. DeucesCracked is incredible and their videos are all downloadable to my iPhone which I love.

Thinking about trying LEGGO out next, Does anyone know what the best promotion is for getting a free subscription with any of the training sites?

There are more the one skin on ipoker so you can use one for the videos

It's pretty much always signing up with their rakeback program and raking whatever you need to rake for having it for free. It's 500/month for leggo.

Here the link: http://rakeback.leggopoker.com/outer...promotion.html

Thanks!!

What is better for MTT? CardRunners or LEGGO??? Refuse to pay the signup fee for PXF... Also I have a 1TB Hard Drive, How many 1hour traning videos do you think that will hold? I would like to download and save them incase I ever have an issue or run into a problem....

Thanks Again...

Question about GrinderSchool:

How do their videos translate to live play? I'm specifically interested in the NL full ring videos. Do the same principals carry over to live casino NL cash games or do they only apply to online play?

Well, for CR, I believe the DRM license expires in 2 weeks after each download + access. Not sure about Leggo (though I'm thinking about renewing my subscription b/c they are excellent). Their website says they have over 80 DRM free vids and I know they have way more that so obviously some can't be stored on your HD for more than 2 weeks.

I'm not going to say you're wrong, but something rubs me the wrong way about looking at it this way.

It feels like you're just describing bad players that will never become good with the entertainment is rarely good stuff.

Everybody I know that is serious about poker, they find it incredibly fun and exciting to see a video that really opens up their eyes. The best poker videos show them some new information and they get how to incorporate it into their game, to adjust more profitably, to make better decisions and so on. That's all very exciting to a poker player.

Odds are, if it doesn't excite you, poker is just not your game. Studying exams may not be fun, but a 30-60 minute video that teaches you new concepts should be akin to a winemaker working with some new grapes, or a math teacher finding a better way to teach their students, or a basketball coach figuring out the perfect press for the players he has. In other words, it should be thoroughly exciting for the viewer to see a top notch video for the first time. If it's not, there's almost no way the player is going to have enough motivation and focus to do anything real in this game. I'm not sure I've ever seen an exception to this. Most people with such a built in dedication to work aren't going to discover poker, nor be too excited by the huge potential wins they see when first learning about the game. Unless of course they fall in love with the game, but they will then be excited to learn new concepts.

Only when it comes to his poker playing alias, his 2p2 account is a bit more open across the board, for better or worse.

Should go with DC if you want to store it on your HD.

Leggo is amazing for 6max NL (pretty good for HU cash too) but for MTT it would not be one of my 1st choice.

Sorry but I am new to all of this, What is DRM?

Are you saying that if you download the video to your hard drive that it doesnt stay on there and it expires? I have an external 1TB Hard Drive and was going to store all of those on there so that way I would always have them and be able to watch them at my convienence, Is that possible? Also wanted to put them on my HD so I didnt take a bunch of space up on my desktops HD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management

You have to authentify your videos each time you see it (if you haven't in the last 2 weeks) So if you store for like 100 gigs of videos and only watch them two months after you're ****ed.

That's why for what you seems to want, something like DeucesCracked or Pokersavvy seems a better fit.

Anyway Deucescracked is really good for MTT and no DRM.

No offense to you Chicago, but I highly disagree. I don´t want to go back and forth on this too much, as it seems we are in disagreement and won´t be able to reconcile through a forum, but I´ll give my spontaneous 2 cents.

I completely agree with your stance, up to a certain point. That type of learning reflects my own when I was fairly new (and even down the line, of course) to the game, and when everything I saw and read seemed new and exciting. Now I have no idea as to how good of a player you are, but at some point you get to a stage where the advancement slows down, the learning curve is gradualized, and you have to go out of your way to seek out and work harder to gain any new type of information (and finding other edges like emotional stability, for instance). Don´t believe me? Look at the ratio between people who are watching videos / recieving coaching / posting in forums and the the amount of fulltime pro´s in 2010. Not bad players within the histiry of the game, only bad players relatively speaking, 2010. At some point these days, games being so tough, things need to get serious, and that, unfortunately, oftentimes implies that we need to put a lot more work in than we would like, which naturally implies that we find it unentertaining (as otherwise we would not have problems putting much more time into analysis, say five hours a day, but how many people do you know that do this?). The joy of discovery is still there, do not get me wrong, but there is much more empirical work, re-assesment of old theories, sharpening small edges, and rummaging through heaps of useless information that was not there when you weren´t as good as you are today.

Your analogies about the winemaker/math-teacher/basketball-coach are kind of interesting. Personally, I would have chosen physician/mathematician/engineer/statistician as the fields are closer to poker and more applicable (look at your friends in these fileds, ask them about their academic experiences). Then, the picture becomes highly different. Ask your friends that are med students / engineers / mathematicians. Highly specialized empirical skill sets that take dedication and commitment through hard times in order to reap later life knowledge and rewards (in the case of poker, we may have to narrow that down to just rewards). I am confident that as the fields are growing stronger and intelligent people are becoming aware of the money in poker, the evolution of the game will lead to this mindset amongst regulars, and then a lot of us that have been just rolling along without applying too much pressure on oursleves are going to be in trouble (I think I work really, really hard at this game, and I still include myself in that list of people that are going to be in trouble). I think it will be hard to agree on this one, I am very confident that this is the future of the game and you seem very confident that it´s not, and we may have to leave it at that.

As for my privacy, when it comes to poker I am open with some stuff and not with others and that rubs people the wrong way sometimes. But I am private when it comes to my real life, which is much more than these forums (as evident by my post count, perhaps ).

Classy as always I have never come to expect less.

nice post bw

Hey Boywonder,

Your post makes sense.

Now that I think about it more, I'm probably referring to my experiences in the games I play and work in (heads up sngs). There's still plenty of "aha" left for even the best in those games.

I'll take your word for it (with Krantz seemingly agreeing that also strengthens your view) for the more largely populated games such as 6 max.

I'm still a little cautious about your argument in some ways. For example, I know a few guys that had great success in heads up sngs that played some short stack hu cash against top online players. The top online players played extremely poorly and it was all but conclusive that there is still plenty of "aha" left for them as well in regard to short stack heads up play (30-50bbs) that wouldn't take a ton of studying, just a good player that knew what he was doing explaining some concepts to them.

I can see how that could be an exception for short stack hu cash (or hu sng), as many top players probably don't get a lot of short stacking opponents (or many guys even avoid them), but that's another avenue of profit top players are missing out on that doesn't require the tedious 5 hour a day type studying that you're talking about.

I can see how the games could get to that point, that's a very logical point to make and I concede that some games may very well be there already.

Thanks Rye, your initial post makes sense now as well. Guess it all comes down to context and perspectives in the end, as per usual.

offically stox to be assimilated into cardrunners on may 1sts

http://www.stoxpoker.com/viewblogs.php

Dear StoxPoker Members:

In lieu of the recent events, it has been decided that the StoxPoker website will be merged with CardRunners. This change will take full-effect on May 1st, 2010.

We feel that this is the best course of action for both the members as well as our Coaches and we look forward to CardRunners fielding the most diverse and talented roster to produce instructional videos for our members. The combination of both websites will provide a tremendous depth and breadth of knowledge and this expertise will be exhibited throughout all the content that we will produce going forward.

All of you who have memberships to StoxPoker will have your memberships honored and transferred to CardRunners. If there are any issues with screen name conflicts or payments, we will handle each matter individually and in a timely manner.

While I will continue to serve in my role as a liaison for the members as Brand Manager, I wanted to thank each and every one of you for your continued support and contributions to the community and for making StoxPoker a tremendous asset for aspiring players. I look forward to continue dissecting hands and gathering your suggestions on the CardRunners forums.

If you have any specific questions regarding your accounts or inquiries, I will answer questions in the corresponding forum as well as via email at stoxalex@gmail.com.

Warm Regards,

Alex Huang
StoxPoker Brand Manager

and from the stox thread here

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/19...4/index66.html

"Hey guys, the following is some clarification on certain issues and an update on our course of action for Stoxpoker.

Multi-accounting is unacceptable if you are a representative of our company. From now on, we will require a statement from each coach about the accounts that they play on and reassurance that they do not multi-account. While some coaches may prefer to play anonymously on sites they do not make videos on, they need to be honest with us about their accounts so we can be as sure as possible that they are in compliance of poker site T&C's. FTP security has also offered to help us with this process and we have accepted their offer.

When Nick told me in mid January that he was 40putts, the first thing I asked about was the reference to collusion that had been posted about a year ago. It was pointed out to me that Stars had done an investigation at the time and found no wrongdoing. At the same time, Nick told me that he was taking a break from playing poker. He agreed that when he resumed playing poker, he would make a post explaining the situation. Neither I nor anyone at CardRunners had any knowledge of a 3rd account he created a short time later. We were all disappointed to find out about this account when it was posted by an anonymous poster.

Last week, Nick agreed to resign from our company and is no longer associated with us as a manager or coach. While I don't know what the resolution of the investigation(s) will be as to the alleged collusion and soft-playing, we denounce these behaviors by anyone, inside or outside of our company, in the strongest way possible. I have done everything I possibly can to get a copy of the the 40putts database, but have not yet received it. I urged Nick to make his database available to a few trusted people, both inside and outside of our company.

Finally, I concluded that the StoxPoker brand cannot be salvaged as part of our effort to improve our business. We'll be adding many of the Stoxpoker coaches to the CardRunners roster, and we'll honor all StoxPoker memberships at CardRunners. I'd like to say thanks to all of the Stoxpoker coaches for their efforts over the years, your contributions have been much appreciated, and I'm sorry about any guilt by association you may have felt because of recent events. These changes will be effective May 1, 2010 and further details will be sent soon to all our members. "

so it changes.. eh?

Hi,

I recently either won or luckboxed in the Nightly 100k. I decided instead of just continuing to use/lose it by moving up/ playing, I withdrew and am interested to take my game to the next level. I believe I am a competent MTT player but I know that I can be better.

I am interested specifically in MTT training, more so than SnG. I wouldn't mind learning turbo's/180 SnGs however.

I would also be interested in cash game training because I am absolutely awful at all levels (although for some reason I can beat 200 NL and 100 NL, I completely get destroyed at anything less than or greater than those levels).


The only online training site I know of is Poker VT. What would be the most effective MTT-cash game training site?

I believe it would be even more effective to find a coach but have no clue how that would work. I have railed lots of good players on Pokerstars that I would love to receive coaching from.

Up to this point everything I have done to improve has come from experience and railing. Railing in particular has taught me alot but it is very limited without seeing the hole cards. I have also never had anyone analyze my hand history, etc. When I am eliminated from a tournament I usually review the last hands to figure what went wrong and come away with a lesson learned.

Any recommendations? Should I look for a good player as a coach or go to a training site?

Try the Coaching/Training section of this site and those forums, they could better assist you their

Coaching Advice

Poker Coach Listings

Make sure and read the stickies in these forums

Post hands on 2+2, duh

I've had a great experience with GrinderSchool. Their release schedule of 6-7 videos per week means there's always something new to check out, and they have an extensive back-catalog as well. They have a large variety of both instructors and video topics, covering everything from HU to FR; SNGs, tourneys, and ring games; PLO, NL and LHE, Mixed Games; and more. From what I've seen, they have some of the best coverage of the micros around, and they're starting to expand into higher stakes as well.

I joined over a year ago and I'm still there. I definitely recommend checking them out.