Is the lack of response from code7654321, for over a week now, an indicator of Jason's innocence?

I totally agree! He could of made a living with ease scamming small stake players.

na hes busy crushing the highstakes plo cap games. i mean he solved that game.

this thread title needs to be changed, and the thread needs to be moved to NVG. why can this not happen?

In my opinion, it's because Stox pays 2+2 and they are exerting influence to keep it buried here. I agree with you by the way. This is News, and should be in NVG to alert players as to what happened. At the very least it would make people aware of another potential scammer, Jason Ho.

would 2p2 care to comment?

Read the start of this thread, the discussion of this is there.

I don't speak for 2p2, but as a moderator of this forum this is my opinion:

The thread and issue is about a person that scammed people from staking and/or coaching. It involves a training site which is participating to help resolve this issue.

All of that stuff falls clearly under this forum.

That's not to say that this isn't news, or doesn't contain a view.

At the same time, there are many subjects that often fall under multiple forums. Most of the time x-posts aren't allowed to happen, many readers on 2p2 read a bunch of the forums and don't want to see the same threads in each forum.

Also recall that this issue kind of blew up in Stox forums as well, so it's not like this is being "buried." This thread is huge, and it sounds like the Stox forums had their own big thread and debate going on that was not being deleted nor censored.

It's irresponsible to call it a cover up in any way from my vantage point, but it's legitimate to argue if you think the thread belongs in a different forum, just state your opinion in a sensible way without resorting to anything ridiculous such as calling it a cover up. It seems to have been anything but a cover up. The definition of a cover up would be *TT* posting "Jim at Stox has asked us to remove this while they consult legal advice and talk with the players affected. 2p2 will continue to monitor this situation closely." That would be a real cover up.

If something was really being covered up you'd see mods crying afoul. 2p2's moderator system is made up of volunteers, and if they feel strongly about something they are going to react similar to users on this forum: They will voice their opinions strongly and go so far as to quit and spread their view if they feel something really malicious is happening on 2p2's part.

It's not really a bad system at all, it ensures checks and balances, something you don't often see in privately run companies.

*TT* or Mat can give an official response if they like. Again, this is just my own view (opinion) as a moderator in this forum. Nothing more, nothing less.

where exactly? there's nothing relevant in the first 50 posts.

There are two issues here: the first one is whether this thread should be at a higher traffic forum or if it's fine here. I agree that you could argue for either.

But the more serious issue is whether the decisions was made on it's own merit, i.e because the responsible mod truly believed this is the right forum, or because Stox asked for it or the mod believed he's expected to keep it out of the limelight even though noone made a specific request.


Maybe but what if noone feels really strongly about the issue? The real test should be whether this would have been handled the same way if there was no association between 2+2 and Stox. I would guess no, just because of how Speelimit's and that other mod's scamming case was handled, but obvioulsy it's impossible to know for sure.

Mods discussed it privately, many of them. The only thing I know for sure, is that if it was a coverup and moderators knew about it, you would too (or there would be a **** storm going on now in mod forum).

Otherwise, we're on the same page I think. It's not like this thread is low trafficked, 635 posts and thousands of views.

I think the main difference between this issue and say the AP/UB thing, is that AP/UB were actually trying to cover it up and denied it until infallible proof was found. Whereas, you have Stox working on this issue as soon as it happened (and maybe even before it was brought up on 2p2).

There was an issue of an investing coach ripping people off (or they accused him of that) and lying to people in the business and investing forum here on 2p2. They kept that thread in that forum I believe throughout.

Since there's a thread on stox, and a thread in the coaching forum here, as well as a lot of students and Stox members that are almost certainly talking about this, I would be left to believe that putting this in the highest 2p2 traffic forum wouldn't really do any favors except add in a bunch of people that have nothing to do with the issue commenting and derailing the thread. But I can see your vantage point on this, I'm not really the guy to ask for sure since I wasn't working with Stox on this issue in any way.

http://www.macaudailytimes.com.mo/ma...mer-Macau.html

Was the front page headline in today's paper (Apparently one of two english daily newspapers in Macau)


Also covered on a number of poker news sites, seems like this is getting some good coverage!

yeah, everywhere but 2p2.

Only 71k views in this thread on 2p2.

I'm sure there's a lot more Macua english newspaper readers than that!

If you think the decision was made correctly, fine I guess I can accept that. But saying that "putting this in the highest 2p2 traffic forum wouldn't really do any favors except add in a bunch of people that have nothing to do with the issue commenting and derailing the thread" is just strange. Obviously the idea is to make sure as many people hear about this as possible, even people who are not Stox members or aren't looking for coaching atm but might do so later (or might just find the whole story entertaining, duh). And now that Ho is unlikely to return and the issue is settled from Stox's end there's actually little risk of this getting derailed.

I agree it's significant that other issues have been handled the same way. But Cornell Fiji's case did end up in NVG and Speedlimit had his own thread in BBV for month. I think there was also a Neverwin drama thread 2 or 3 years ago in NVG but I'm not 100% sure. So basically there are precendents both ways but if I had to guess before this blew up I would have thought it would end up in NVG.

wow nice

awesome. me happy now.

gg jason ho scammer.

did anyone else think that newspaper image was going to be one of those fake 'write in teh headlines' gimmicks? awesome that this is real

what a ridiculous statement. if its getting 71k views here, imagine how many views it would get in NVG.

Can't see how this isn't in NVG. This is a major news story for online poker. It's the biggest story in quite a while if you ask me. That it made it into an IRL newspaper show's how big a story it is. Surely as many online poker players as possible should be made aware of this story and of the scammer Jason Ho.

I'm not trying to fuel the fire, but this deserves to be asked:

Why didn't the guys at Stoxpoker figure out that Ho might be charlatan months ago? This guy had a video out just a few weeks ago.

Their defence seems to lean heavily on the fact that some of the membership were hoovering-up Ho's output like a bunch of sick puppies. So how could it be bad?

Quite how this explains anything is beyond me. Especially when you've got lead NLHE coach (and Stox part owner at the time?) Dusty Schmidt saying theat he thought that Ho was a bad player and full of ****.

Perhaps at the time Leatherass was so busy promoting his own money making scheme that he didn't have time to pass on his views on Ho's suitability to the rest of the team.

A lot of video watchers are breakeven/losing players who think emulating the coaches will make them winners. The trouble is when the coaches themselves are also breakeven/losing players. This issue has been hashed out in other threads, for example:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...ng-ton-667558/

As far as coaches being losing players, Jason Ho is not the worst of the lot.

If you have one of his videos, you can go back and see that he throws terminology around in ways that don't make sense. I'm looking at one hand where he claims he deliberately stacked off 2BI just for information.

If you have the 111808 NL50 video that came out late last year and go to around the 40 minute mark, you can see what I'm talking about.

lol seriously? you know 20% of this threads hits were generated from repeat viewers right?

that this thread is already not in NVG is a disgrace, and I'm sorry, theres no justification you can possibly give for why its not. for christ sakes, someone can scam someone for 5$ on this site and you're damn sure its going to be in NVG. It is so obvious, even to a child, that the connections between stoxpoker and 2+2 (monetary or not) is whats keeping this thread contained to one of the most unviewed subfourms on 2+2.

Haha...I dont know if I can post a link since it is in the private Stox forums, but there is a post there by a guy that was at Ho's house for a camp when all this **** starting going down. Apparently Ho set up a scene where it looked like his girlfriend was about to kill herself after she read what was posted online. The student said it looked fake...hilarious.....