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Old 01-27-2010, 01:07 AM   #26
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Re: Where did the Jason Ho thread get moved to?

K -- I have no problem waiting a day or 2 to see how this shakes out; I agree that 10 posters banding together and each posting a tl;dr i-was-scammed report within minutes of each other was a little disingenuous because its sole purpose was to hit with as many damaging allegations as possible in as short a time-frame as possible. i.e., it seemed like their concerted effort was just designed to damage JH's rep as much as possible, as fast as possible.

The other side of things, of course, is that just because someone has offered to investigate things behind the scenes and fix them if necessary doesn't mean that it should be kept from the 2p2 mob. What if when the UB/AP scandals hit, the sites had sought to make the scammed players (of which I was one) whole by refunding their losses, but asked you to keep all discussion of it off the 2p2 boards? Obviously that's not what happened, and the analogy is far from perfect, but the point is that just because someone has had some nasty things said about them in a public forum doesn't compel the forum moderators to remove the thread. The cynic in me would surmise that Stox's status as an advertiser in these forums has something to do with it. Should that matter? I guess we could argue about that point as well. At the end of the day, I agree that the brute-force attack of the posters was at the very least in a grey area, but I think this topic has to see the light of day sooner or later, irrespective of whether Stox or JH makes any sort of restitution to the players.
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Old 01-27-2010, 01:11 AM   #27
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Re: Where did the Jason Ho thread get moved to?

Well, technically it would be libel, not slander, but only if false. If it's true and substantiated, then it's neither.

FWIW, I do think it's pretty reasonable to temporarily move it to the mod forum until it can be determined whether there is any legitimacy to the claims. That is, provided it's not just swept up and covered up if it turns out to be true.
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Old 01-27-2010, 01:16 AM   #28
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All of the accusations were made by anonymous posters hiding their identity used to slander Jason Ho.
If this is the case, then locking the thread is obv the best solution. I didn't see the original thread, however TeddyFBI stated that the posts were from long standing 2+2 accounts. Was he mistaken? Perhaps the long standing accounts were long dormant gimmick accounts that you were able to match to known posters through their ip addresses?
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Old 01-27-2010, 01:20 AM   #29
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FWIW, I do think it's pretty reasonable to temporarily move it to the mod forum until it can be determined whether there is any legitimacy to the claims. That is, provided it's not just swept up and covered up if it turns out to be true.
dont worry, nobody is covering this up... we are only helping to find a solution faster, everything will be shared over time.
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Old 01-27-2010, 03:03 AM   #30
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Re: Where did the Jason Ho thread get moved to?

im sorry but how could you not just look at ptr and realize he wasn't a big winner?
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Old 01-27-2010, 03:26 AM   #31
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im sorry but how could you not just look at ptr and realize he wasn't a big winner?
I could be wrong, but I believe he claimed to have made his $1M before PTR was around, then "retired" from serious grinding. Also, some people play under various screen names on a lot of different sites. That said, when I read his posts I get the sense of someone who's trying to talk over peoples' heads. I'm sorry, but you're not going to talk poker theory over my head. (you being Jason, not johnnyrocket).
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Old 01-27-2010, 04:15 AM   #32
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im sorry but how could you not just look at ptr and realize he wasn't a big winner?
He didn't out his screennames until they came into the public eye today.
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Old 01-27-2010, 08:39 AM   #33
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He didn't out his screennames until they came into the public eye today.
What were the screennames?
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Old 01-27-2010, 08:47 AM   #34
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zenconcept, zen888, jadebling, babiekwai, lilbebi

He also used codenumber8 in some of his Stox videos.
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Old 01-27-2010, 09:51 AM   #35
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Re: Where did the Jason Ho thread get moved to?

This is my response.

I am willing to stake a prop bet, providing the action is good enough in response to that I am a losing player hence why my coaching is a scam, I made false claims etc...

I will only accept 50 or 100 to 1 odds since its obvious I am a losing player but I let you the 2p2 community make the whole rules and contract to the deal.

I want the term of the deal to be 1 year till the end of 2010 or at least 6 months so no one can say I ran good or variance or whatever. I will put in minimum 1 hands for 1 year or 500,000 hands in 6 months.

I will allow everything including webcam 24/7 phone calls etc... I just need someone to help setup this.

You can specify what I have as a starting bankroll. What should be agreed upon as an ending bankroll providing I crunch the numbers and agree upon it.

I will do all my play on pokerstars and out the 1 sole screen name but I am allowed to play whatever limits I want and what games I want.

If the action is good enough I am willing to get people to buy my action.

Since the allegations are my 'coaching is a scam' I scammed people because I am not a winning player.

I am openly willing to prove this as long as the action is good enough.

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Old 01-27-2010, 09:58 AM   #36
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This is my response.

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What a ridiculous way to try to prove your innocence.
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Old 01-27-2010, 09:58 AM   #37
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Re: Where did the Jason Ho thread get moved to?

stop ridiculing yourself. you obviously have no interest to clear your name. there is no way all those allegations are made up. you are GUILTY in my eyes.

Havin read all the posts on the stoxpoker forums you are just a disgrace as a coach, poker player and i would like to call you more names but i will refrain from it.
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Old 01-27-2010, 10:02 AM   #38
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This is my response.

I am willing to stake a prop bet, providing the action is good enough in response to that I am a losing player hence why my coaching is a scam, I made false claims etc...

I will only accept 50 or 100 to 1 odds since its obvious I am a losing player but I let you the 2p2 community make the whole rules and contract to the deal.

I want the term of the deal to be 1 year till the end of 2010 or at least 6 months so no one can say I ran good or variance or whatever. I will put in minimum 1 hands for 1 year or 500,000 hands in 6 months.

I will allow everything including webcam 24/7 phone calls etc... I just need someone to help setup this.

You can specify what I have as a starting bankroll. What should be agreed upon as an ending bankroll providing I crunch the numbers and agree upon it.

I will do all my play on pokerstars and out the 1 sole screen name but I am allowed to play whatever limits I want and what games I want.

If the action is good enough I am willing to get people to buy my action.

Since the allegations are my 'coaching is a scam' I scammed people because I am not a winning player.

I am openly willing to prove this as long as the action is good enough.
Since you've made so many successful attempts at spinning up from almost nothing to 10k+, I propose you start off with $5.

Why not just prove you made that $1 million usd as you said to me, to others and on your Stoxpoker blog in a previous year?
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Old 01-27-2010, 10:04 AM   #39
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My story started with Jason Ho at the end of summer 2008 when he was hired as a Stoxpoker coach. At the time he offered coaching lessons for $100 /hr and i took about 4-5 hrs of lessons were he pointed out several major leaks of mine. This was enough for me to go on with my basic aggressive style and win money, just by removing my spewy lines i became a solid winner.

He mentioned he wanted to create a crew as his rates will be higher for 2009 and basically if i wanted coaching i would have to pay $250-350/hr depending on what limit i play, or be a part of the crew that contributes a certain percentage of profits. He was promising me his coaching should lift me up to 600-1000NL by end of year in the crew.

He advertises himself very well, he claims to make $1.0Million in 2007, he claimed to me he won multiple wsop tickets and he just used it towards his bankroll. I eventually became part of that crew and ever since i havent received coaching from Jason (maybe 4-5 hrs for the whole year, that were absolutely uneffective him chatting while sweating me), lucky for me i did improve myself enough to make a profit, unlucky for me i paid 6K in contributions from my profits. I was further promised to get an intensive course when i started to ran bad, which i never received. I never made it to 600NL, still fighting at the 100NL games. And staying with him being a loyal student was scammed by another 5K+20K dollars for coaching and investing in his PLO fund. It was foolish of me putting this money down when i saw none of his results (or at least verify those were his results), greed put me in that hole.

I also fell for his Camp Macau intensive poker course where he was going to make us work on poker from morning to evening. I went to meet him in personal and to start up PLO coaching with him to Macau, but all i got from him is a PLO preflop chart and internet connection where i could play poker. No coaching at all. I was wondering how come i cant beat PLO with 15/4 style. I also met two great guys in Macau during my stay and they were getting comparable services to mine. Very disappointing.

I was suspicious about his being from day one, but because of the lot of great statements coming from other crew members and other students he made to write good reviews about him, made me stick with him throughout this whole year. I was a fool, easy to take advantage of me chasing the dream of making lot of money beating most games in poker. I learned my lesson the hard way.

As a bad student who didnt listen i made money, but i cant recommend him as a coach. He doesnt care about his students, its all about the money for him and there is a good chance you will be scammed like many of us were. Best you can do is look elsewhere.

So i dont hide in the dark here is my email address i use on daily basis and my skype nick. xxxxxx@gmail.com and xxxxxx(skype nick)

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Old 01-27-2010, 10:06 AM   #40
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i have a lot of respect for everybody who is coming out here. takes a lot of courage. *thumbs up*
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Old 01-27-2010, 10:06 AM   #41
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I am willing to stake a prop bet, providing the action is good enough in response to that I am a losing player hence why my coaching is a scam, I made false claims etc...
you're kidding right? tell me this is not the real jason ho. after doing some research on stox and watching some of your videos. you have no theoretical explanations for anything you do. i must say, it's always quite amusing to hear you put villains on a "range" in your videos. 2:10 of your video "Aggressive TAG: Part 2" is one of the funniest things i've ever seen period. watching you butcher those 2 hands convinced me there is absolutely no way you are a winner in anything besides the micro-stakes.

i like how you add in "if the action is good enough" so you may reject all offers since you are so balla and no action is good enough for you.

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Old 01-27-2010, 10:12 AM   #42
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Jason created a crew with the goal of coaching the next blackjack team of poker. Terms were he coaches, the team contributes 33% of profits. Fair deal when u get good coaching.
At end of May 2009 at the time when jason broke up with his girlfriend came up with the idea (at the time the crew was not contributing as almost noone was making money) that he would require the crew members to put a bankroll together, its a "voluntary" act but since he commits so much to the crew he actually wants us to commit so he would continue with coaching and he could show us how its done. So his idea was to put together 100,000 dollars for him so he can play 1000 PLO.
Terms were that he keeps 25% of all profits, the rest is split up by the contributors of the fund. THe promise was he can spin it up to 300,000 in a few months then take shots at even higher limits, he is not doing it for the money but to help the team reach new heights. At this time the crew and i think also members of stoxpoker were informed in his blog how a weekend he made cca 90K dollars and chart was posted without a name.
The team started to put together the funds, members taking money out of their lifetime savings, bankrolls (slowing down crew development) but he didnt care, even made a member to sell one of his properties in the hopes of extra cash.
When the collection of funds started everything was rushed so the money would end up in his accounts (multiple ones as multiaccounting wasnt an issue for him), once all money was transfered to him, the terms changed and now a 150K bankroll requirement was due to safely play the limits, meaning he was awaiting more funds to arrive and the PLO project was put off few months. Needless to say all members were kept in the dark, about the terms of how cash will be dealt with, he based the crew up on terms of trust, the trust that was only brokne from his side multiple times. To multiple requests from members of starting date of the project he never said the project will start, but then a possible march date 2010 was flagged in the air, which was the date a member of the team said the property would turn into cash. So we were still waiting for that time.
One of the members, who actually lived with him unhappily and unsatisfied for half a year in macau eventually quit the crew asking for his money back (since project hasnt yet started) and since it was multiple times said that people can be bought out at current market share. So since no monies ever come back from Jason HO, he had to tell the truth that the fund was spent playing 25/50 PLO (when agreement was to only play 5/10 with such bankroll) and that he took out 30K dollars for life expenses out of the fund without informing his contributors/investors and blabbing his way out how all these happenings are normal. Basically he gambled it away (we believe he has hazardous gambling addiction) changing the terms of the whole project without informing anyone, and stating that he sent out emails regarding PASSIVE starting of the fund (which is a lie as nobody received that email).

No need to say this person has no credibility, no matter where he shows up, it just shows how shady his life is, e.g. filing for bankruptcy in the UK, scamming people for money in the poker industry, being a bad coach, living off other people, taking loans out on girlfriends and leave them in financial depth. No matter what you think of this whole mess around him, best you can do is to avoid him.

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Old 01-27-2010, 10:14 AM   #43
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Well someone come up with some good odds, I am sure people won't mind taking action on either side.

I am saying I am a winning player.

Its already stayed that members for a long time and new members are saying I am not.

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Old 01-27-2010, 10:16 AM   #44
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When we say Jason gambled away our money it is not meant because the money was lost, but rather how it was lost. All money was spent on luxury living and high stakes gambling thus 25/50 PLO action with 100K roll. THats just a pathetic gambling and terms were to play 5/10 and below.

We are not desperate by the way, we just want to inform the community not to trust him with any amount of money as this person has no credibility any more. And you are just simply better off avoiding risky situations, that we didnt do. And we had to learn this the hard way.
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Old 01-27-2010, 10:17 AM   #45
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Well someone come up with some good odds, I am sure people won't mind taking action on either side.

I am saying I am a winning player.

Its already stayed that members for a long time and new members are saying I am not.
Before you address the losing player accusation you should address the scamming one don't you think?

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Old 01-27-2010, 10:19 AM   #46
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Re: Where did the Jason Ho thread get moved to?

indeed.

edit: is it true you claimed to have solved cap plo ??
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Old 01-27-2010, 10:20 AM   #47
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these are accounts jason played at in the past

jadeblind, lilbebi, zen888, zenconcept, babiekwai, up_2_me if i know of more i will inform everyone. Feel free to look them up on pokertableratings

By the way his attempt to make a prop bet is just another play to move attention away from him scamming people. And its laughable.
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Old 01-27-2010, 10:28 AM   #48
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Basically what the last post in page 2 said. This isn't about making a prop bet with you this is about you clearing the accusations that you scammed other people and since the last 2 posts that you posted have addressed nothing about the scamming I'm going to assume that it's true because you never denied it.
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Old 01-27-2010, 10:30 AM   #49
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Basically what the last post said. This isn't about making a prop bet with you this is about you clearing the accusations that you scammed other people and since the last 2 posts that you posted have addressed nothing about the scamming I'm going to assume that it's true because you never denied it.
I didnt scam these people. There are many reasons not just to do with me why some didnt become winning players beyond poker coaching. I will address each response back to Jim when he contacts me. I just don't see the point in mentioning all of their personal lives on a public forum.

There are shady and dubious things some of these people did also.
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Old 01-27-2010, 10:31 AM   #50
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from leatherass's blog about jason ho: good stuff.

"It has been interesting to watch this Jason Ho (a recently banned Stoxpoker.com coach) thing explode on the internet. I am not going to comment on whether I believe all of the allegations are true or not, but I do know from my experience that he made attempts to try and scam me as well earlier this year. He kept trying to get in touch with me about trading services. He claimed he could help me out with some areas in my game and that I could help him. He was a big math guy (or so he claimed) and I have no clue about how to figure out most of the math related poker stuff so I agreed to talk with him on the phone.

While talking to him on the phone we started talking about what we would do in certain situations and I thought his advice was ridiculous so I didn’t work with him again. He was advocating some of the stupidest stuff, and I had a very hard time believing he was a good poker player. He later tried to get me to transfer him my entire database of hands which I declined. Very recently he told me he had “solved” PLO CAP game poker and wanted to talk to me because he felt he could easily make 4-5ptbb/100 at that game. I had no idea why he would want to tell me how to play as well as he was claiming he could play PLO CAP, but I just decided not to bother with him."

care to comment jason?
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