I saw the pre-sale was rolled out over the weekend. Has anyone looked into the course? Looks like a quality product from a production stand point, but its still light on details - will content be updated, who is the main instructor etc.

Wonder if there is much difference between PC and RYE.

I just preordered this morning. I have never used a website before.......was debating between PokerCode, Upswing, and RYE. $400 discount couldn't pass up but am skeptical since it is very light on details like you said. But, Fedor seems to be crushing everything in life so I took a chance. Still cheaper than RYE Expert class. Would still like to get Petrangelo's Upswing course if they run a black friday deal again.

Pokercode is terrible. Very basic. Terrible content for $1,000. You are way better off getting the RYE course or Upswing with Nick P.

Is it live now? Is a detailed content of the course available somewhere?

Has anyone purchased this or tried it? I can't find a single review for it anywhere online.

I was a pokercode student and will review it here publicly (I also have not found any reviews). For disclosure, I went through a decent fraction of the course (a little under half) before I decided to argue for a partial refund from the support staff, something that in general you cannot do after watching over 3 videos. We worked out an arrangement but I no longer have access to the material.

I was disappointed in the course overall, as I thought the raw length of the course was far too short to justify a pricetag of anything over ~$200. To me, it really only felt like a slightly more sophisticated masterclass that Negranu or Ivey put out. It has a very similar feel...the videos are Holz sitting at a poker table (with good camerawork) and lecturing on some sporadic concepts...the course features over 60 videos but most of them were only several minutes in length, I think about ten were of the 10-20 minute length, and there was some minimal interactivity in the form of quizzes.

The community aspect of pokercode is great. They have a private slack channel where students and instructors can all discuss updates, hand reviews, strategy, advice, upcoming events, etc. The presale package (no longer available as far as I know) consisted of handpacked and mailed materials, including a hoodie, to all members. That was a nice gesture, and all of the instructors are very engaged, friendly, and truly believe in their product. I truly do not feel this was intended to be an overpriced concept with just big names attached to it. Unfortunately, this is what it was.

The material itself was mostly fine. The preflop section was exceedingly elementary, far too simple for advanced students (importance of position, basic range ideas, etc). I think you do get a bunch of situational charts now (wasn't available by the time I left).

Postflop was more involved and went through some street-by-street hand examples with solver based strategies, discussed various spots (being in position vs out of position, blockers and unblockers, developing balance in value bets and bluffs, how to defend the blinds, navigating 3b pots, etc.). The videos were dense, and not quite in a good way...I do not think a solid theoretical backbone could be obtained from watching them, and a student who can appreciate all the concepts presented in them is probably already initiated. You can get all this from places like Upswing.These videos could be sold for a few hundred dollars, but not more, especially given the enormous amount of material from the rest of the market, and lots of free youtube content looking at Piosolver stuff.

There seemed to be a general unawareness that presenting solver-centered solutions, while at the frontier of poker, is no longer novel enough to justify teaching a course with a bunch of GTO charts that the student would need to spend $ to create themselves. In my view, for a course over $1000, you need at least many weeks worth of coaching material to develop solid intuitions for why solvers do what they do, develop methods to simplify complex charts, etc. I thought PC fell vastly short of its potential and just scratched the surface.

I really wanted to like this product. The people are great, they spent a lot of time producing it, and the buildup to release date felt like a lot of kids in the candy store. But I would recommend purchasing other material.

1500$ for 9 hours basic stuff, it has to be the worst pack ever.

Fedor all the time talked about creating value bla bla, and then he made this crap course for 1.5k

Just like cmc0605, I also strongly recommend to buy some other stuff. Its short and basic. Maybe good for a beginner for 50$, maybe 100$.

I was disappointed with the Upswing cash game pack too, because the theory part was ridiculous, eg. educa was talking 9 minutes about delay cbets, show 1 example and thats it. The HH/session review part was awesome though - and long, but the structure was ****.

I thought the standard would rise, but I have to say that Upswing pack is 50x better than the MMAsherdog or Fedor Holz pack - and cheaper too.

Dont buy this crap

Obviously its nowhere near the quality of bencb and Nick Petrangelos pack, which you should buy instead of this
(Nick's one is a bit more advanced though, as he didnt simplify the flop play much, and obviously you shouldnt have multiple flop bet sizes unless you play HS)

I just enrolled and made a review of Pokercode, so you can check it.

That being said, the course is really solid and teaches you not just the strategy part but also mindset, preparation and so on which is actually vital for any serious player.

I agree that Nick Petrangelo course is more advanced, but it is aimed for already experienced players, so anyone just starting out or playing smaller stakes will have more benefits from taking Fedor Holz course I would say.

I just recently got myself the Pokercode and my feedback is based on what I've seen and experienced so far from only going through the pre-flop section of the course.

There's definitely a difference between RYE and PC.

1) The active learning model, which requires you to really pay attention. The quizzes aren't that easy in many cases
2) The lack of detail in providing the user with ranges for every spot
3) Instead, you get to know the logic behind what hands to use and put into your ranges in different scenarios
4) A lot more exploitative content

So, overall I'd say if you choose RYE or PC really depends on your persona.

I myself like to learn new concepts and be more creative based on that instead of trying to memorize ranges all day. That's where the big strength of the pokercode comes in. You get to know WHY you squeeze, 3bet, or call certain hands in certain scenarios. Logic is the baseline for everything.

Also, the videos for the different topics are MUCH shorter than the ones from BenCB. Instead, there's not a single sentence wasted with invaluable information. Sometimes you have to stop every 2-3 seconds on the video to write more notes down. I am a more audible person so I dislike it when the screen is bombarded with presentation notes (which is not the case here, instead you only see Fedor and get to listen to what he has to say, no notes or anything but the occasional range that's popping up to exemplify a concept).

The community aspect is probably similar in both products. You get to know a lot of people right from the get-go. And you also get added benefits such as the primed mind membership for a big discount.

The guys really seem to care about the members and plan to keep working on the platform and just launched a new added section of IgorKarkarof 3 hour video content.

What you want to go for should be in your own interest and what you think is better fit to your personality and style of game. I for my part don't regret having purchased the Pokercode and will not ask for re-fund as I see a lot of potential for the future and feel to be part of the community already.

Hi,
Would like to share my experience about the site if this is still relevant to you and you are deciding whether to buy Pokercode or not.

I bought it during the pre-sale time, then was a little bit cheaper then now, was no info at all about the course, but definitely caught my attention because of the creators of the course. That was the introduction, now the real info what you really want to know.

This wasnt my 1st pack about tournament play, and I really dont want to compare them because every pack is unique in a way it is, so Iam not even writing what packs I own.

When I started to look at the content I was surprised about the length of the videos (they are shorter then you might expect) but soon I realized there is just pure information in it, just the stuff you really need to know. The visualization of the concepts are well designed, very eye catchy (Iam really a visual person) and as mentioned you have quizzes to pass after every lecture, which adds value to your learning curve. Something that might be overlooked by a lot of people: the site is really well build, easy use, user friendly.
Yes there is also a Slack channel for the members. For me the best part beside information sharing is that every one of my questions were answered (even the stupid ones, lol) which is a big thing for me. So the channel is very active, you dont have the feeling ok I bought this and after no words heard from the creators of the course.
Future value? There is. Just today came out a new series about how to react against 3bets and squeezes, and soon we will get the range viewer tool (I hope) which ATM is something I really miss from the course. And more stuffs also to come, but here we are at now.

To finish my review I think this. This course teaches you how to think about poker and spots in a very clear and understandable way and builds you a strong logical understanding of the game. Which I didnt really felt after I watched other packs about tournament play. But we are different, everyone learns in a different way, for me this was the best buy.

Best wishes,
Pavol

P.S. people saying dont buy this crap are the ones who dont really invest time in improving, have no clue where to really start at and only want the magic pill which doesnt exists lol

Lots of opinion on the course. I ended up pre launch. Had some life changes happen so have not been able to dedicate the necessary time. My thoughts on the course. Preflop to river video approach is similar lto an EDX/coursera format with short compact videos packed with content. I’ve seen other content and PC does a great job of simplifying concepts and approach to common spots. Now are you going to play like Fedor and Matthias after watching the videos once....no. It takes effort and working with tools such as PIO and HRC. They addressed feedback with more complex videos which I touch on below.

What they have created is a nice group community with players committed to learning and sharing experiences. Saw there was recently a random hands/tourney review on zoom by one of the more successful players and another member

That’s where a lot of the value lies. PC has also listened to feedback and responses after launch and have added great higher level content from their head coaches. Igor and Mathias videos are must see.

The PC team has responded well to feedback. They want us to succeed and they seem to have the best intentions with the product. I’ve heard there are a few more gems on the way.


Happy to answer any questions

An opinion of a guy who had his doubts on staying with the pokercode after buying in pre-launch.
=> I was contemplating filing for a refund but decided otherwise after pokercode community manager spoke up.

My initial reason for opting to request for refund was that the pokercode core content was not matching what they marketed it was gonna be: "The best poker course". This maybe was a bad strategy because you set yourself up for not reaching the standard you set out. The best is after all pretty good

The core content is laying out everything you need to know from preflop to river if you want to reach basic and intermediate levels of gameplay. It also touches on other aspects beside game technicals: Mindset, practicals, approach, live game, ...
The video's are relatively short if you compare with other poker courses but on the other hand they are pretty dense and do a good job of bringing across what really matters: Key concepts and principles that should be thought of and applied in every hand you will ever play.

The reason why I decided to stay on board of team pokercode.
After some people spoke up, a communication followed on the collaboration platform of the course. Basically we were handed a promise that the course would keep on growing with the level and kind of content the community was feeling a need for. Apart from this prospect of future high level content what also pulled me in was the intensity of the effort of listening to feedback, factoring it in for future moves and communicating back. => This makes you feel like you are really in a team and you can partly steer towards content you desire.

The commitment of the pokercode creators and the level of collaboration of creators with members make this one of the best environments you can be apart of, I truly believe this. If that isn't enough to make you consider investing in your poker education then contemplate this: Players like IgorKarkarof, iambest2 and CrownUpGuy make up some of the players you can reach out to. Today we had a guest coach come join a community coaching session. This was Graftekkel, I meaaaannnnn... Very happy to not have jumped ship. Maybe I see you there!

At the beginning I was pretty dissapointed about it, as I found some of the lectures pretty basic- I must recognize though I didn't surfed through all of them.
Step by step this course became better and better, with interactive coachings and new series of videos. And the team is just great. They are very commited and ready to help.
One big big + it's that the headcoaches (Eibinger, Holz and Karkarof)really comment the posted hands, they're not there just with the name
It really depends what are you looking for. It's not a solver heavy course for the abi 50 crushers to make the next step to abi 100. There is no such thing on the market. But it is a good base so you can grind solvers on yourself. You need to put in the f&$king work, no course will make you a super crusher.
I'm glad I didn't write a review 6 months ago, it would've been tottaly different.

One more thing that I've noticed recently. People are concerned about the length of the videos. I wouldn't be. It took me 2h'30 to finish a 20 mins vid with taking notes, screenshots and so on. It took me 2h to finish a 45'min runitonce vid on the exact same matter. It's just very condensed.

Has anyone else purchased this course? Black Friday discounts are near and still didnt decide whether to purchase PC or RYE.

Im an intermediate casual MTT player.