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Crush NL50 with GTO or exploitative Strategy?? Crush NL50 with GTO or exploitative Strategy??

04-19-2019 , 08:08 AM
Hello

I crushed NL25 with 8BB/100 after appr. 130k Hands, so I moved up to 50NL.
On NL50, I played in Expert Level, evaluated by Poker Snowie. I thought "Expert Level" on NL50 should be enough, but after appr. 120k Hands, I had an Winrate from 1BB/100.
So I ask you, is it better to crush NL50 with GTO, or exploitative strategy????

Thanks for any answer.

Rokknrollaaa
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05-19-2019 , 11:17 AM
Play the strategy that has the highest EV vs your villains (could be GTO, exploitative, or both!)
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05-23-2019 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Rokknrollaaa
Hello

I crushed NL25 with 8BB/100 after appr. 130k Hands, so I moved up to 50NL.
On NL50, I played in Expert Level, evaluated by Poker Snowie. I thought "Expert Level" on NL50 should be enough, but after appr. 120k Hands, I had an Winrate from 1BB/100.
So I ask you, is it better to crush NL50 with GTO, or exploitative strategy????

Thanks for any answer.

Rokknrollaaa
130k hands is a tiny sample. You don't know if your crushing 25nl. You noobs got a lot to learn. Using snowie and pio is not going to make you guys winning players. Its good for new players to learn basics of how to play poker but thats it. Poker has a lot more to it then poker snowie or pio. that is just basic knowledge. Poker is a much more complex game. And if you try to play like snowie or pio good regs will know and will crush you. They will know what your doing with different parts of your range. As you move up in limits you have to play more deceptive and tricky, but at the same time don't over do it.
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05-23-2019 , 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by PlasticElephant
https://bitbcash.com/2019/03/30/the-...olver-in-2019/

d7 covered this topic here fairly well.
Try to use pio against libratus. You will get exploited and crushed like Dougs entire crew. You guys aren't any where close to gto cause it doesn't exist in poker. Its like believing in santa claus. Then you guys make bad calls and bad bluffs and think its good play cause pio would do it to balance out ranges. Its nonsense.

Cumicon is only the biggest winner over last 5 years at plo. He never used pio or studied. Nanonoko was the most consistent 6 max winner at holdem. Isildur still one of the most dangerous players in the world. No pio no study. The best players don't use pio its to simple. Poker is complex game. I probably have one of the highest win rates at holdem and plo and I don't use it either. Once in awhile I might pio a hand but not often but not to see what pio would do with my hand but to get better grasp of my opponents ranges.

If you have to study with pio to try to win at poker you might as well try to make money with poker training site or staking like your doing. Poker is a game of creativity those are the big winners. Not people to simple minded that follow pio. They will go broke. This game is not for simple minded people that try to follow a system. It doesn't work. Its a game of complex creativity.

And Dnegs is mtt player hes not a cash grinder. Comparing him to Pio is like comparing apples to oranges.

"However, even these rare players who mostly learn by doing do end up studying solvers by proxy – through study partners or through analysing the strategies of their opponents." I know you want them to fit in with your gto mind set but your completely wrong. This is how YOU study. Some players do study solvers. But a lot of them don't that I personally know that crush. Your assuming that winning players study pio. Cause you study pio. THe best mma fighters in the world are not gto fighters that use a basic stance. They are very creative and do things opponents never seen before cause they can't train against it. And thats how i play poker i do things they don't expect. I cause a lot of tanking and tilting. Cause its not in pio to help them make a decision. They might look it up later but in the moment they are deer in head lights. Thats why creativity and not studying solvers is more important. Everyone has solvers its old news. It has a limit to how good it can' make you as a player. Its just basic strategy.

Last edited by iburydoscocaroaches; 05-23-2019 at 08:13 PM.
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06-23-2019 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by iburydoscocaroaches

It has a limit to how good it can' make you as a player. Its just basic strategy.
seemed to really limit Linus yea.

I feel like d7 answered most of your points in your article, but myself, my friends, and a lot of the best players in the world have results which do a fairly good job of refuting that statement.
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06-24-2019 , 05:55 PM
Even breaking even at 50 NL is quite a feat, now use your skills to go crush some live games.
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