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Old 11-08-2018, 12:28 PM   #26
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In theory, yes, sounds great. But no good coach worth his time will do this because it attracts freeloaders and non-serious people. Every experienced person will confirm.
When I used to coach I would always have a short Skype chat with potential students.

When I was coached they all talked to me first on Skype before any money changed hands.

None of these arrangements were CFP deals.
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Old 11-08-2018, 12:29 PM   #27
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Prizzy, if you send us a PM with your Run It Once username we'll hook you up with a couple of free months of our Essential plan. If you don't already have an account, sign up for a free Basic account here and then we'll take care of upgrading you.
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Old 11-08-2018, 12:29 PM   #28
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Prizzy, if you send us a PM with your Run It Once username we'll hook you up with a couple of free months of our Essential plan. If you don't already have an account, sign up for a free Basic account here and then we'll take care of upgrading you.

Lfg.


Bpc acting in really bad faith here’s imo. And using a lot of long drawn out paragraphs trying to make you look like the good guy.



I’ve coached a lot of losers into winners for cfp btw and not cfp. Doesn’t work like this.
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Old 11-08-2018, 04:46 PM   #29
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Prizzy, our biggest loss is losing you. No reason you could have not been the next finisher.

But please don't try to weasel yourself out of this and claim "oh i am the good naive person" and pretend we took advantage of small print hidden in 10 pages of legalese stuff that nobody reads. This is totally against who we are and how we do things. Simply not true.

1) For 5k contract we don't require your signature so technically, legally it's more of an agreement. We want to keep things simple and not add 10 pages of lawyer english to confuse people. There is nothing in it for us, if anything it weakens our position in case a student doesn't pay. We do it to make life easier for YOU, the student. For bigger contracts we are more careful, of course. Luckily we never had an issue and the security deposit also helps, of course. This way we can focus on coaching and not chasing after people owing $100 who go awol.

2) Before signing up there is a CLEAR link with the contract/agreement and your obligations (the very very few you have) written in plain English. Even 70 IQ person can understand it.

3) The contract/agreement is also public in our FAQ, we mention it in videos, you can and should click on it before joining, so it is VERY SIMPLE. This is not an apple/user "user agreement" type of thing.

4) Very important: We even automatically email you and send notifications if you don't update (kind of your only "obligation"...takes 30 seconds).

5) We do step 4 many times, send warnings and last warnings... UP to the point where users send us angry emails


If 1-5 is not enough, yes, i guess it's totally reasonable by every possible standard to not give you any more FREE (!!!) coaching.

Just take some damn responsibility and don't call yourself naive. You were lazy, lost motivation or something else was more important in that moment in life.

We're happy to teach and always happy to help you.

You're always welcome at BPC, we hold no grudges. If you want to work out something, feel free to contact our support, but there wont be any sort of "come back for free".

That'd be disrespectful and unfair to those people who stick to the rules.
Darn. A terrorist and a weasel. Thank you for your replies. This seems to have went far enough. I was shocked when I first heard one of Gordon's videos, and how fowl mouthed he was. Calling folks names, and cursing constantly. Everything else seemed fairly professional, and he was the only one to do that on a video that I saw. It does seem this goes deeper as a company, I don't know if the things others are saying on here are true. But I do know I will not bother you again. I think this forum has spoken loudly enough.
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Old 11-08-2018, 04:58 PM   #30
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Prizzy, if you send us a PM with your Run It Once username we'll hook you up with a couple of free months of our Essential plan. If you don't already have an account, sign up for a free Basic account here and then we'll take care of upgrading you.
Thank you very much.
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Old 11-08-2018, 08:11 PM   #31
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When I used to coach I would always have a short Skype chat with potential students.

When I was coached they all talked to me first on Skype before any money changed hands.

None of these arrangements were CFP deals.
You used to coach or perhaps haven't coached for a long time. And perhaps you gave your students a lot of free time, which is nice of you.

It's a different thing when you attract a lot of people.
If your time is valuable you can't give every micro stakes players a free feel-out session.

Does this have to be spelled out.
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Old 11-08-2018, 08:15 PM   #32
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Lfg.


Bpc acting in really bad faith here’s imo. And using a lot of long drawn out paragraphs trying to make you look like the good guy.



I’ve coached a lot of losers into winners for cfp btw and not cfp. Doesn’t work like this.
Talk is cheap. We have publicly documented history. Where is yours? I wouldnt ask for it, but you use quite big words...

Will you want to coach OP? Are you willing to coach him for free, spend 20 hours until he returns $5 for his first share? Oh, only in case he doesn't get "legal trouble" again... in which case you may not even get a thank you.

Instead you will be accused of "doing wrong" lol.

Keep talking. A lot of other coaches had their lying mouths cleaned out and then closed their threads in shame and vanished.
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Old 11-08-2018, 08:32 PM   #33
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Talk is cheap. We have publicly documented history. Where is yours? I wouldnt ask for it, but you use quite big words...

Will you want to coach OP? Are you willing to coach him for free, spend 20 hours until he returns $5 for his first share? Oh, only in case he doesn't get "legal trouble" again... in which case you may not even get a thank you.

Instead you will be accused of "doing wrong" lol.

Keep talking. A lot of other coaches had their lying mouths cleaned out and then closed their threads in shame and vanished.
We can prob bet, Use escrow And I’ll provide evidence as well as the people to back it up.


You didn’t do what you’re askin me to do. You gave him access to some videos no one on one coaching. Lol
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Old 11-08-2018, 08:53 PM   #34
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Prizzy, if you send us a PM with your Run It Once username we'll hook you up with a couple of free months of our Essential plan. If you don't already have an account, sign up for a free Basic account here and then we'll take care of upgrading you.
Cheap virtue signal. Let's say 25:1 chance this will help him (im being nice), but nobody will ever know...

If you really wanna help him and not use him as a stupid pawn to moralize, then tell one of your coaches to coach him. Let him document it in a P&G thread. Publicly from day one.

And if you do well, let us know so we can donate 200% of his profits in your name (or anybody you wish) to KhanAcademy.org or any other charity that really helps people. Let's agree on some reasonable conditions, we wont even hold you up to our own standard. Turn him into NL25 winner in 6 months or suggest whatever you believe is reasonable. Really simple, nothing outrageous. Sincere offer.

This way we'll all root for him to win.

See how playing "good guy" is fun . It costs nothing. And makes you feel good about yourself.

Only one problem. Doesn't make students any money, only yourself... But for some that does not seem to be a problem.


Prizzy, let us know in this thread if you'd be willing to be coached by somebody of their team. Under certain conditions we can even pay for the coaching if successful.

We'll really try hard to not give them any excuse to back out of this. I'm just really curious HOW they will back out
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Old 11-08-2018, 09:07 PM   #35
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We can prob bet, Use escrow And I’ll provide evidence as well as the people to back it up.


You didn’t do what you’re askin me to do. You gave him access to some videos no one on one coaching. Lol
To clarify. Prob bet that you'll coach him and succeed (we define the terms, you can suggest).

He had access, so we can speculate to how much he is telling the truth. Generally speaking i am not very believing of people stating "legel trouble", but i try to be agnostic.

And yes, he did not receive 1-1 bc he went awol. Not asking you to do anything at all, give him 1-1 or anything. Just help him. You can show him videos as well. Or do whatever you believe will make him win...bc supposedly you're an expert at that.
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Old 11-09-2018, 07:03 PM   #36
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Prizzy, if you send us a PM with your Run It Once username we'll hook you up with a couple of free months of our Essential plan. If you don't already have an account, sign up for a free Basic account here and then we'll take care of upgrading you.
Nice work fella.
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Old 11-10-2018, 02:07 PM   #37
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How the **** is a $500 deposit connected with "FREE". Nothing wrong about a deposit to keep some customers away, but calling a student out for being lazy (even if he was) and putting a deadline on videos (not 1:1 coaching) is damn ridiculous.

No way you should have returned him $500, but providing some basic pool of videos for a $500 deposit (that is LOST) for life is not too much to ask for.

At least OP got some RIO videos in return - classic move.
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Old 11-10-2018, 08:23 PM   #38
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BPC, not only will they steal your deposit, but they will also flame you afterwards on internet forums.
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Old 11-11-2018, 03:07 AM   #39
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Prizzy: "This CFP deal looks like something for me. Others are successful with it, and I don't have to play a lot if I'm busy, I can progress at my own pace. The only thing I have to do is post 1 update 1x per week - or write to them that I can't make updates at the moment, so they know I'm still alive in case I'm not playing much. That sounds fair, let's do it."

Joins, saying he agrees to this condition. Time passess, doesn't update, doesn't communicate.

BPC: "This prizzy fella is not updating. He is breaking his part of the deal. Let's give him a chance and wait some more. Let's send reminders to him, to post an update.

More time passes. No updates, no communication, ignoring everything.

BPC: "Still no updates. Reminders were ignored. Maybe he just isn't into poker anymore. We really should deactivate his account, he is breaking all rules repeatedly, ignoring us as well."

Even more time passess.

BPC: "Ok you know what? Let's deactivate his account. We really should have done it before, but let's not have a ghost in the group anymore."

Account deactivated.

More time passess.

..and more time passess...

...

Prizzy eventually realizes he can't join sessions anymore, and watch recordings.

Prizzy: "I'm angry. This is not my fault. I will go to the 2p2 forum and try to damage their brand".

Goes to forum and writes a version of the events, leaving things out. Privatelly, he starts asking for a discount. No discount is offered. Gets more angry.

Some Forum Guys: "Prizzy is a good and moral man. He is a victim of an evil, greedy corporation. Typical."

BPC: "Prizzy cut the crap, you know what you did. Stop the BS."

Some Forum Guys: Evil greedy BPC corporation is flaming poor Prizzy. Look at their language!"

Run it once: "Hey Prizzy here is a free 40 dollars. You deserve it."

Some Forum Guys: "RIO is moral and good."


This used to be a serious poker forum. This thread is like a poorly written comedy drama, with mostly simple-minded choir members. Thank you welfare state and public schools for creating strong independent thinkers. Otherwise we'd have mob-mentality driven massess.

For the record, Prizzy paid 250 dollars deposit originally (doesn't change the principles involved though.) We gave him a 50% discount. He just asked - privatelly of course, not to ruin the narrative of this thread - for another one couple of days ago. This time we said no more. So while this makes you angry, it's simply the honest real response. CFP is not for you, at least not this time.

In a perfect world you'd learn from this - not that evil corporations are stealing from you - but that if you don't stick to things you agree, people will eventually call you out on it. Well - some people, others will rather publicly use you as a pawn to score PR points, and make this lesson hard to extract for you, but it is what it is.

It feels nice to get something for free, but it's called enabling and is actually damaging to you - removing the natural consequences of your behavior, which makes it hard to learn from mistakes. BPC will tell you "you played this hand like a donk and lost the pot", others will tell you "it's not your fault, here's 40 dollars so you can keep playing". Now choose your adventure...

Another one for the record - PokerPlayingGamble you're a moron. Some shady casino steals from you, and you show up here randomly accusing BPC of stealing from a poor victim like yourself, heh? No transference happening there. Well done emo-boy.

"Oh god here they go again, calling a poor honest person a moron, how unprofessional, and look at the language they use!

So RIO can you hook him up with a couple months as well please?
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Old 11-11-2018, 04:22 AM   #40
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It matters less that prizzy messed it up than you guys charging a "deposit fee", that's not even a one time thing. For $500 others offer way more than just the chance to watch some videos for a limited time (if making the mistake of ignoring mails).

And here you are all acting like you're a solid company for micro stakes players looking for CFP. "How about another $500 deposit"?

So if somebody is a little bit ****ed up and can't get his **** together you're going to charge him 5x $500 deposits every time he gets absent from poker for 1-2 months? How's that even called a deposit? It's clearly a fee (that you can get back if you're winning).
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Old 11-11-2018, 06:16 AM   #41
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1) Oh, so now it doesn't matter that he broke the agreement? What happened to "BPC is lying and stealing from poor Prizzy"?

2) It was 250 dollars, like I said. Never 500.

3) Not just a chance to "watch some videos". Daily coaching webinars - EVERY day with perhaps some exceptions. Plus post any hand on the BPC forum and get a video answer from the coach a couple of days later.

That's 3 manipulations already in your post. Hopefully out of ignorance and not emotional charge, doubt it.


Nobody is going to force him, or charge him anything 5 times, what planet do you live on? It's a free society, not North Korea. How you can just invent a story in your head, and then start believing it and typing it publicly as if it's somehow connected with reality, just to prove a point you pre-decided on without knowing even 5% of the facts, is beneath contempt. It's not even a straw-man argument at this point, it's just pathetic. He is even explicitly told several times to not rejoin in this very thread. WTF. I just repeated in the post above that CFP is not for him.

We gave him a fee-waiver to our subscription which is launching in the next 2 weeks - that's a 200 euro gift. 5 weeks of free access to daily coaching webinars for not only 6-max, but Spin, MTT, Zoom, PLO. Plus all the video libraries. Plus 26 courses.

Prizzy feel free to confirm this gift was offered days ago to you after you sent us PM asking to rejoin CFP at a discount.

We did it privatelly so as to not steal the limelight from Run it once's cheap PR trick. It made everybody feel so warm inside to see prizzy used as a pawn by RIO to improve their standing in the community, we didn't wanna ruin the party by injecting reality.

To be fair, it's a universal offer for all former CFP students of ours, not just Prizzy.

Of course now you will say "oh, now they want to hook him on a monthly subscription later down the road, evil greedy BPC". When you are "outraged" by people asking value in return for value, it tells more about how you really see your own perceived value than anything else.

Finally, YES it's a deposit - but of course if you lose your deposit by breaking the agreement and then say "you see, it's wasn't a deposit, it was a fee", then well-played to your reality-twisting. GTFO DuFisch.

The most disgusting part is how yall are treating Prizzy as some type of loser-victim who is "just fckd up" and "can't pull his **** together" and needs free 40 dollars to make life worth living. Yaay thank the lord you are here to rescue him and stand up for him since he is such a poor weakling, huh? Yea you're really doing him good and showing him respect.

At the same time patting yourself on the back for doing good in the world. He is a grown man who makes decisions and mistakes. When he makes a mistake, he doesn't need to be rescued with a free 40 dollars and other slave-mentality people telling him he is a victim in this world. He should be told he made a mistake, is wrong, and should correct his behaviour so he doesn't repeat it in the future. I'm sure none of this makes any sense to you, though.
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