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10-09-2019 , 06:42 AM
As I've subbed to RCP and RIO on and off over time - I decided to give Upswing Lab a shot. I'll report back after I get some time to study a bit of it and apply the concepts at the tables.

To be honest - Upswing's free material, especially it's articles, has been teaching me a ton lately. I like the layout of the site and the massive content/charts included, as well.
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10-10-2019 , 07:05 AM
Where can I find best learning materials for short/mid stack strategies?
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10-11-2019 , 04:28 PM
I bit the bullet and bought From The Ground Up, too. Currently finishing up CORE completely, digging through the Upswing Lab, and moving more advanced study to RIO's material. I would imagine that going forward next month and beyond, I'll probably just stick with a RIO Elite for $99/mo. I'm shot taking 20nl again now and would like to leave 10nl behind me completely in the next month or two.
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10-14-2019 , 02:55 PM
I wound up moving on from the Upswing LAB, and the site entirely. As I explained when I cancelled/refunded: I think it's great but a lot of it's material is either things I covered already or could cover quickly - or were simply redundant when compared to what RCP and RIO has to offer. RCP/RIO also have a lot more content and you can take things further when you want to and just spend more buying individual courses.

I would say anyone looking to learn should enroll in RCP CORE and get an RIO Essential monthly. That's $30/mo (USD) total and any bankroll can afford that today. Then, you can upgrade to RCP PRO and/or RIO Elite at some point. That really should be the mainstream approach to learning the modern game today in nearly 2020.
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11-15-2019 , 08:56 AM
Looking for a MTT specific training site.
I play both live and online MTT's.

I've been studying for a long time and I know most of the basic/intermediate concepts out there, I'm sure I'm missing a lot of advanced stuff.

My main issue is that I do not fully understand most of these concepts, I've heard of them and I understand them, but I often apply them in a wrong way.

So I'm looking for an advanced MTT specific training site.
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11-17-2019 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Yeodan
Looking for a MTT specific training site.
I play both live and online MTT's.

I've been studying for a long time and I know most of the basic/intermediate concepts out there, I'm sure I'm missing a lot of advanced stuff.

My main issue is that I do not fully understand most of these concepts, I've heard of them and I understand them, but I often apply them in a wrong way.

So I'm looking for an advanced MTT specific training site.
Heard/read good things about the Nick Petrangelo course on Upswing. I didn't like the quality of videos on Upswing for the "Lab" content (from an audio/video standpoint) and found Fee to have a monotonous tone I couldn't keep focus on, but I am not sure how Nick's course compares. I really enjoy the TPE podcast, might have some value looking in to their offerings as well.
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11-25-2019 , 07:19 AM
I've waded through the last 10 or so pages of postings, but I don't recall seeing the answer to a question I was wondering - do any of the main training sites (RCP, RIO, Upswing, CLP, others) cover any of the mixed games? Or is it all NLH/PLO? I play a ton of mixed at the WSOP each year and would love to move my games up a few levels.
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11-25-2019 , 06:25 PM
I did dabble in a few mixed game videos on RIO but they were on the older side. I’m not sure how the mixed game theory has evolved since 2012-2013 but I suspect these videos would still be more relevant than NLHE/PLO videos produced around the same time.

If I were you I’d just subscribe to all of these sites one at a time and devour their mixed game content. Highly suspect you’d be able to go through the material within a one month time span or less.
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11-27-2019 , 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Crowe Capital
I've also recently returned to the game. Here are the 2 sites I've checked out, which I believe are the 2 biggest training sites, especially for general poker cash and tournaments (I could be wrong).

Runitonce -

Elite membership for $100/mo (full video library of advanced topics/high stakes), essential for $25/mo (limited video library of more basic topics/low stakes.

The biggest pro of runitonce is that it contains some of the most cutting edge coaches and concepts. The biggest con is that the video library is very daunting to navigate and the videos do not form a consistent strategy. You may watch one coach in one video advocate a certain strategy, only to hear another coach trash on that strategy or advocate a conflicting strategy in another video. If you are looking for a step by step course to get good at the game, this site is not for you. If you are OK with sifting through a myriad of videos and trying to piece ideas together yourself, this site is for you. Also watch out for outdated videos - IE you search for a video on cbetting and find one from 2014 which advocates a strategy that no present day coach would recommend. The game has changed a lot even in the past 2-3 years.

Upswing -

NLH lab is $100 upfront for first month then $50/mo. There are also special one time purchase master classes in certain subjects (PLO, NL tournies, NL HU, mixed games, etc) for up to $1000. There is also a monthly PLO lab.

The biggest pro is that upswing provides a step-by-step course starting from the very basics - the videos all form one consistent and cohesive strategy without conflicting information. This was helpful to me in re-establishing my fundamentals after 6+ years away from poker. The biggest con is that the strategy advocated by Doug/Ryan (the main coaches) is arguably outdated, as both players came up as pros without the use of poker solvers, which now dominate modern poker strategy. To be fair, they recently brought on Fried Meulders, a pokerstars NL 500 zoom consistent winning grinder whose strategy is solver-based (being able to beat NL 500 zoom on stars in today's online poker environment is considered EXTREMELY difficult, this isn't like the old days where you could read a few books, watch a few deuces cracked videos and work your way up to mid stakes).

So my recommendation would be to start with upswing to re-establish your fundamentals and beat the micros, then get a run it once elite membership and eventually your own copy of pio solver as you move up.

Edit: one more thing I want to mention is Upswing's preflop ranges. I found them WAYYYYY too loose for the micros because of the rake. I started out by using them and was paying an insane amount of bb/100 in rake. I play the micros on Ignition, which are effectively 5% uncapped rake. I forget the exact amount but I think I was paying something like 15bb/100 in rake using the upswing ranges and therefore not being able to beat the rake. I've since tightened up a ton and now pay ~8-9bb/100 in rake and am crushing the games now. Maybe someone as skilled as Doug/Ryan can beat the rake using their wide ranges via their post flop skill, but for a new/returning player you'll benefit by just cutting out the difficult-to-play postflop marginal hands and paying half the rake.
thanks. this is a really helpful post. i remember joining upswing a few years ago and not really getting into it. now making another attempt to study so seems like it is a bit outdated
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11-27-2019 , 11:06 PM
Anyone tested RCP's GTO course? https://redchippoker.com/gto-poker-course/

I recently bought both Play Optimal Poker and Modern Poker Theory in the attempt of getting better at GTO. Need to buy a solver too at some point. I like Andrew Brokos' explanation of GTO as he makes it super clear and builds it up, whereas I think some of the other GTO theory is a bit too complicated.

I basically want a site that goes from the basics of GTO theory and then teaches how to apply it and use software (flopzilla, Pio or GTO+)...etc. since the software is also somewhat steep learning curve.
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12-02-2019 , 10:25 AM
I'm a $1-$3, $2-$5 live player. Gone through the Upswing Lab. Can't say I got a huge amount out of it, except for categorizing the hands and having a strategy. What training site would y'all say is best for a US cash game grinder? I really want to crush and take my game to the next level. Wouldn't mind being able to sit in in larger games and hold my own.

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12-11-2019 , 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by downunder66
I've waded through the last 10 or so pages of postings, but I don't recall seeing the answer to a question I was wondering - do any of the main training sites (RCP, RIO, Upswing, CLP, others) cover any of the mixed games? Or is it all NLH/PLO? I play a ton of mixed at the WSOP each year and would love to move my games up a few levels.
The material on RIO is pretty good but there is not very much of it. If you only study mixed games, it's probably worth an elite sub for a month every now and then to watch all the new content then cancel.

There is also a course on upswing I believe, which is taught by a pretty good player. It's aimed at the basics though, so it really depends how strong of a player you are now to know if that is worth it or not.
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12-11-2019 , 11:57 PM
RIO is best out there in depth understanding hire coach
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01-04-2020 , 11:05 AM
nice post. and very informative thread.
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01-20-2020 , 12:05 PM
Looking for training site advice.

I'm a live low-stakes cash player, mostly $1-$2 / $1-$3 with a smattering of $2-$5 NLH. I'm a solid (but not spectacular) winner at the lowest stakes ($16.70 /hr over 710 tracked hours at $1-$2). I'm re-doubling my efforts to play more (2020 goal of logging 600 hours) and invest more time into improving my game. I'd like to move from solid winner to crushing (like $25 /hr+ at $1-$2) and move up and establish a solid win rate at $2-$5.

I play very few tournaments and very little online, so I want to make sure whichever site I choose is the best fit for my specific goals. I've looked into Red Chip Poker, Crush Live Poker, and Jonathan Little's site. Do folks have thoughts on which of these (or others) might be the best fit for me/my goals?

Thanks in advance.
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01-20-2020 , 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by KyleFromMichigan
Looking for training site advice.

I'm a live low-stakes cash player, mostly $1-$2 / $1-$3 with a smattering of $2-$5 NLH. I'm a solid (but not spectacular) winner at the lowest stakes ($16.70 /hr over 710 tracked hours at $1-$2). I'm re-doubling my efforts to play more (2020 goal of logging 600 hours) and invest more time into improving my game. I'd like to move from solid winner to crushing (like $25 /hr+ at $1-$2) and move up and establish a solid win rate at $2-$5.

I play very few tournaments and very little online, so I want to make sure whichever site I choose is the best fit for my specific goals. I've looked into Red Chip Poker, Crush Live Poker, and Jonathan Little's site. Do folks have thoughts on which of these (or others) might be the best fit for me/my goals?

Thanks in advance.
I'd probably go with Crush Live Poker.
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01-23-2020 , 12:56 PM
I received an offer to try RedChip's PRO @ $15.00 for 3 weeks and I've been enjoying it. I've used the site in the past but their new 2020 content, and focus on GTO+, is nice. I am going to dig into Upswing again a little bit more next month and, as always, you can't go wrong with RIO. What I've learned over time is that there's no benefit to limiting yourself to one school of thought.
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02-11-2020 , 10:53 AM
Hi, I was wondering if anyone could help. I sent $200 BTC to spinandgostrategy.com. I never received the Birjaan video pack I purchased. Are they a scam, site that isn’t operated by anyone, or does anyone have a way to contact who operates it? I’ve sent several emails and no response. If anyone can offer help or input, I appreciate it. I’ve been away from poker since the Lock poker scandal pretty much. Tired of getting scammed.....
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02-13-2020 , 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by 768hon
Hi, I was wondering if anyone could help. I sent $200 BTC to spinandgostrategy.com. I never received the Birjaan video pack I purchased. Are they a scam, site that isn’t operated by anyone, or does anyone have a way to contact who operates it? I’ve sent several emails and no response. If anyone can offer help or input, I appreciate it. I’ve been away from poker since the Lock poker scandal pretty much. Tired of getting scammed.....
I received the pack, spinandgostrategy isn't a scam. There was a delay and a problem with the e mails.
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02-22-2020 , 02:35 AM
Is RIO Essential good enough for up to $11 MTTs? Was winning last year, but feel like I need to start studying
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02-28-2020 , 01:39 PM
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Is RIO Essential good enough for up to $11 MTTs? Was winning last year, but feel like I need to start studying
have you considered Raise your edge? RIO is full of videos at no order and talking about different aspects stages etc while RYE is structured and constantly updated
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02-29-2020 , 08:48 AM
Well, I have purchased RIO Essential and it is a let down. Nothing fundamentally new for me, as I have been playing poker since 2010. Had a 5 year break, so thought that a refreshing memory would be great, but alas the Essential is better suited for completely new players.

Maybe Elite is a better solution for me, but I also didn't like the style of the videos/presentations.

Regarding RYE, currently can't afford it, but it's definitely on my radar.
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02-29-2020 , 02:12 PM
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Seems like a relatively bold suggestion that RYE is blanketly better than RIO. Plus, RIO has it's elite membership, from the ground up, and a game masterclass available. I have no personal experience with RYE but just from visiting the site it looks rather bare bones compared to RIO. And it definitely hasn't been around for anywhere near as long.
There is no secret formula or magic pill, but you said it right RIO is been for ages and most of their content is outdated.

I will go with RYE or Nick Petrangelos if he can afford any of those
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03-05-2020 , 04:31 PM
I used to play s&gs and cash semi-professionally up until black friday. I want to go back into it but this time playing low stake MTTs.

I skimmed most of this thread but I am still not sure - what would be good videos to watch, ideally free ( I dont mind paying at some point, im just sure there is at least some free stuff to start with)? Something like MattStaples on twitch.
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03-10-2020 , 08:15 AM
Anyone know mtt course for bounty builder tournaments? I feel there is almost all the action going into these tournament, would love to buy course which dives deeply into these kind of structured tournaments.
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