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Originally Posted by cookie
I think this question really belongs here
"I'm trying to get back into poker, but a bit rusty at 6max, I quit poker fulltime around 2009.
Grinded about 10K hands this week, games seems beatable, but I need a crash course, back in the day there was a bunch of video coaching sites: Leggopoker for instance, can't remember the others, but there was 6-10 decent ones back then.
I guess there is still coaching sites, but to not randomly google for it, what are the good sites now for this?"
I've also recently returned to the game. Here are the 2 sites I've checked out, which I believe are the 2 biggest training sites, especially for general poker cash and tournaments (I could be wrong).
Runitonce -
Elite membership for $100/mo (full video library of advanced topics/high stakes), essential for $25/mo (limited video library of more basic topics/low stakes.
The biggest pro of runitonce is that it contains some of the most cutting edge coaches and concepts. The biggest con is that the video library is very daunting to navigate and the videos do not form a consistent strategy. You may watch one coach in one video advocate a certain strategy, only to hear another coach trash on that strategy or advocate a conflicting strategy in another video. If you are looking for a step by step course to get good at the game, this site is not for you. If you are OK with sifting through a myriad of videos and trying to piece ideas together yourself, this site is for you. Also watch out for outdated videos - IE you search for a video on cbetting and find one from 2014 which advocates a strategy that no present day coach would recommend. The game has changed a lot even in the past 2-3 years.
Upswing -
NLH lab is $100 upfront for first month then $50/mo. There are also special one time purchase master classes in certain subjects (PLO, NL tournies, NL HU, mixed games, etc) for up to $1000. There is also a monthly PLO lab.
The biggest pro is that upswing provides a step-by-step course starting from the very basics - the videos all form one consistent and cohesive strategy without conflicting information. This was helpful to me in re-establishing my fundamentals after 6+ years away from poker. The biggest con is that the strategy advocated by Doug/Ryan (the main coaches) is arguably outdated, as both players came up as pros without the use of poker solvers, which now dominate modern poker strategy. To be fair, they recently brought on Fried Meulders, a pokerstars NL 500 zoom consistent winning grinder whose strategy is solver-based (being able to beat NL 500 zoom on stars in today's online poker environment is considered EXTREMELY difficult, this isn't like the old days where you could read a few books, watch a few deuces cracked videos and work your way up to mid stakes).
So my recommendation would be to start with upswing to re-establish your fundamentals and beat the micros, then get a run it once elite membership and eventually your own copy of pio solver as you move up.
Edit: one more thing I want to mention is Upswing's preflop ranges. I found them WAYYYYY too loose for the micros because of the rake. I started out by using them and was paying an insane amount of bb/100 in rake. I play the micros on Ignition, which are effectively 5% uncapped rake. I forget the exact amount but I think I was paying something like 15bb/100 in rake using the upswing ranges and therefore not being able to beat the rake. I've since tightened up a ton and now pay ~8-9bb/100 in rake and am crushing the games now. Maybe someone as skilled as Doug/Ryan can beat the rake using their wide ranges via their post flop skill, but for a new/returning player you'll benefit by just cutting out the difficult-to-play postflop marginal hands and paying half the rake.
Last edited by Crowe Capital; 01-16-2018 at 09:49 PM.