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12-03-2009 , 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by egspongi619
Hey guys what site you think is the best for 6-max sitngoes?(best coaching videos)
Float the turn ..sitngogrinders or whatever?
thanks
Both floattheturn & sitngogrinders have excellent instructors for 6 max.
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12-03-2009 , 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Hartmw82
I have been watching the "S&G micro stakes grinder" series from Vandweller and maybe it's just me but his strategy seems ULTRA nitty. I'm used to playing super aggressive small ball, but when I play the kind of game these videos suggest, I find myself always ending up in a race with 10 BBs and 5 people left at the table...

Am I missing something?
You ought to drop by the tournament forums at DC. We are a pretty tight group there & share info freely with each other (like here only smaller scale). Also make sure you join the DC private SNG/MTT on Sunday's. We have a blast & exchange HH's & critique each other's play. By the way velo was a total newbie & he IS a winning player now. I was angling for his spot on the series but vandweller deemed not as crappy.
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12-03-2009 , 11:53 PM
Im a 6max, 100 nl player looking to fix leaks and move up. Any suggestions on which site might be more ideal?
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12-04-2009 , 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by uofi2012
What are the best sites/series/videos for learning fullring, for non-beginners? I am beating SSNL HU/6-max pretty well, and am interested in learning FR as well. So series specifically focusing on transitioning from shorthanded games to FR ones would be ideal.

Also, the same question, but for PLO instead of FR?

Thanks.
DJ Sensi and Nolan both have 2-3 good series on DC that fit what your looking for as far as NL is concerned. I'm not sure of any sites that have a deep selection of FR PLO
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12-04-2009 , 12:25 AM
All 3, SERIOUSLY.
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12-04-2009 , 02:08 AM
If you play on FTP, sign up for trulyfreepokertraining.com and get free access to both Stox and Cardrunners if you rake enough. Besides those two, I'd suggest bluefire.
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12-04-2009 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by sylence2k2
Im a 6max, 100 nl player looking to fix leaks and move up. Any suggestions on which site might be more ideal?
For 100nl, you really can't go wrong at any site. For this, I would recommend either of the following.

CardRunners
LeggoPoker
DeucesCracked
BlueFire Poker
PokerSavvyPlus
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12-04-2009 , 11:18 PM
Maybe a stupid question but does anyone know if there's some kind of way to waive the gigantic sign-up fee for CR?

I used to be a member long ago but I really don't feel like paying the sign-up fee all over again, especially when the only videos I want to watch are the PLO hu ones (obviously I'd end up watching others as well, namely NL HU, but still).

Are there any holiday promotions or anything coming up? I heard they had waived the sign-up fee for a while a couple of months back but I must have missed that.
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12-04-2009 , 11:44 PM
Training sites are over-rated in general.
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12-05-2009 , 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by All_or_Nothing
Training sites are over-rated in general.
Right.
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12-05-2009 , 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by PanchoStern
Right.
I agree with him. They have their place for certain types of players with certain types of goals, but in the calculation of expected lifetime hourly, they often don't stack up all that well. Plenty of times they do, of course, but that discussion to the level of the individual isn't had nearly as much as it should.
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12-05-2009 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by actyper
Of course these sites rely on affiliate and advertising revenue, if not whats the point of having them up. I also agree that this forum section is a great source of info for training sites. But when you attack the legitamacy of my site (pokertrainingguide) I do have a problem with. Check out the rankings and tell me where I have been biased in the results. I think its a very good representation though I'm always welcome to comments and suggestions.
I am a high stakes no-limit hold'em player who is affiliated with one of the training sites that is talked about in this thread from time to time and reviewed on poker training guide . com.

I am also, however, able to be unbiased when I make the following remarks. These are off the top of my head and were simply the first few things that I saw.

1. In the Pot-Limit Omaha Rankings you have Poker Swat and Stox Poker ahead of Blue Fire Poker. I am under the impression that Phil Galfond, also known as Jman, makes the best Pot-Limit Omaha videos out there. Countless poker friends and students have told me this. I also think they have people who have been directly influenced by Phil making midstakes PLO videos. Perhaps it is because you are ranking quantity over quality? I can't imagine any other video reason, but for the record, I would be shocked if one of Phil Galfond's videos is not more helpful to someone's PLO game than two dozen of any PLO instructor on Stox Poker or Poker Swat, none of whom I have ever heard of. A ranking like this immediately loses your credibility.

2. In the Heads up No-Limit Hold'em Rankings, you list Poker Savvy Plus and Stox Poker above Leggopoker. Leggopoker, in fact, is no where to be found in the Top 5, despite the fact that they have three videos from 25k NLHE HU tournaments, and a handful of Heads Up videos at 100-200 and above among almost 100 NLHE HU videos. Despite that, it is listed as a weakness in the Leggopoker review, along with the blurb that: "Apathy is a great addition to the Leggo lineup and will be producing some high quality videos." This is listed as Leggo's only HU pro-- no mention of MYNAMEIZGREG, aejones, luckychewy, Zugwat, theashman103, etc. All high stakes or nosebleed heads up players who have many heads up videos on Leggopoker. Additionally, Apathy has made exactly 1 training video for Leggopoker in the past calendar year-- how outdated is this site? I don't know anyone on Poker Savvy Plus or Stox Poker who sits at high stakes NLHE and waits for action all day, whereas I know multiple who make videos for Leggopoker who do that. In fact, I bet people who worked for Stox Poker and PSP would just concede NLHE category to a site like Leggopoker.

3. In the "Other Games" section you appear to count PLO twice, unless I'm missing something. The reason I am confused, is because you list both Poker Swat and Stox Poker above Deucescracked. DC, however, has 80 "other" videos, 26 stud videos, 7 Razz videos and 123 Omaha videos by what is likely a higher quality than Poker Swat, who has only 2 "other" videos, and ~40 PLO videos (these numbers are taken from pokertrainingguide.com). I am confused about this, and perhaps I am mistaken, but I thought that Deucescracked was built on "other" (limit, horse, stud, etc.) games. It seems weird that a relatively new site like Poker Swat would have the content already, which to me seems like only 2 Horse/08 videos, to overtake someone like DC who has been making these videos for such a long time.

These are only the most egregious things that I saw.

Additionally, there are 5 advertisements on your homepage alone for either FreePokerTraining.com and their two sponsored poker training sites. Although I can imagine that you could theoretically be unbiased with these advertisements, I just don't see it shine through. In pokertrainingguide's defense, there are very few people who are qualified to review multiple training sites, and pokertrainingguide appears to be in the majority here.
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12-05-2009 , 06:04 PM
Aejones any chance of Leggo expanding & adding more MTT vids? I'd join if you guys had more MTT vids or if you had some SNG vids.
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12-05-2009 , 07:06 PM
+1 to aejones. I found the DC review to be very outdated, and I'm sure others are as well. Example: Joe Tall and Deathdonkey are listed as MTT instructors, presumably because of a few videos they made in 2007 before the current form of DC even existed. In the world of poker training sites 6 months or a year is an eternity!

At the very least the site should list the date of their most recent review. Ideally they would actually update reviews every month or two and doublecheck their accuracy.
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12-05-2009 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by TianYuan
Maybe a stupid question but does anyone know if there's some kind of way to waive the gigantic sign-up fee for CR?

I used to be a member long ago but I really don't feel like paying the sign-up fee all over again, especially when the only videos I want to watch are the PLO hu ones (obviously I'd end up watching others as well, namely NL HU, but still).

Are there any holiday promotions or anything coming up? I heard they had waived the sign-up fee for a while a couple of months back but I must have missed that.
Sign up through: trulyfreepokertraining.com
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12-05-2009 , 07:42 PM
Thanks for the suggestion, but I play on iPoker It's not feasible for me to play on FTP unfortunately (swedish, FTP is kind of a grey area as far as taxes go, well maybe not so much grey as "taxable", unlike european sites).
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12-06-2009 , 11:19 AM
Does anybody have any suggestions for videos that directly refer to live play? (not just full ring)

I enjoyed (CR) Vital-Myths series, Live no limit: The real cash game
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12-06-2009 , 12:04 PM
Excellent thread.
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12-06-2009 , 06:14 PM
I have recently started to type in the screenname of the coaches playing in the videos at PTR (pokertableratings) before watching. Today I read old blog posts from Greg (leggopoker) and saw he had great success winning a bunch of dollars. This motivated me to watch his videos, but when I search "MYNMSGREG" and "lolmonies" at PTR I am not impressed. He seems to be down a lot this year. Why is this?
I lose all my motivation to watch a video when the coach seems to be a losing player. Is PTR accurate? Am I missing something else?
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12-06-2009 , 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by JimmyRare
I have recently started to type in the screenname of the coaches playing in the videos at PTR (pokertableratings) before watching. Today I read old blog posts from Greg (leggopoker) and saw he had great success winning a bunch of dollars. This motivated me to watch his videos, but when I search "MYNMSGREG" and "lolmonies" at PTR I am not impressed. He seems to be down a lot this year. Why is this?
I lose all my motivation to watch a video when the coach seems to be a losing player. Is PTR accurate? Am I missing something else?
PTR isn't that accurate..

search for aejones imo.
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12-06-2009 , 07:02 PM
I'd watch any of their vids any time. Anyone can go on a dowswing for a period of time but the cream always rises to the top.
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12-06-2009 , 08:36 PM
I don't know much about that particular coach, but be sure to look at what stakes they are beating and what stakes they are losing at. A bad shot at 200/400 doesn't make someone a losing player at 10/20.
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12-06-2009 , 08:50 PM
As far as I know that particular coach has a very good reputation.

Also, while big winning players are always the biggest draws and least questioned, you should look into the content of the video rather than the stats of the video makers more often. That goes for everybody, some of the training sites have some very good coaches with average stats.

The thing is, most training site members are low to mid stakes players. Who is going to relate best for low to mid stakes players? Low to mid stakes, solid winning players. Now, someone like Jman or CTS that can explain their through process very well may be better, but don't discount the mid to low stakes video makers just because their stats aren't "omg profit."

Who's the best golf coach? How many majors has he won?

Who's the best basketball coach? How many MVPs did he win?

Who's the best hitting coach? How many batting titles did he win?

To make it to the nosebleeds, you need more than fundamental poker skills, or even x and y poker skills, you need a lot of deeply developed mental skills to stay at those stakes and some players, no matter how strong they are fundamentally and no matter how good they are at beating and teaching the mid stakes, just won't have those skills and won't ever move up (not talking about MNIZG on that one, I don't know much about him other than leggo owner and good reputation as a player).
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12-06-2009 , 09:14 PM
he's a very good player and an example of how ptr rarely tells the full story.
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12-07-2009 , 02:34 PM
Just to reiterate the point, there is absolutely no financial gain whatsoever from promoting pokerswat. Perhaps it was just fresh in my mind when updating the rankings.

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