Two Plus Two Publishing LLC Two Plus Two Publishing LLC
 

Go Back   Two Plus Two Poker Forums > >

Notices

Coaching Advice This forum is to be used for general coaching questions and discussion. This forum is not intended to be a place where coaches advertise.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-03-2009, 10:37 PM   #101
PanchoStern
veteran
 
PanchoStern's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: McAllen, Texas, USA
Posts: 3,197
Re: shorthanded sngs coashing site

Quote:
Originally Posted by egspongi619 View Post
Hey guys what site you think is the best for 6-max sitngoes?(best coaching videos)
Float the turn ..sitngogrinders or whatever?
thanks
Both floattheturn & sitngogrinders have excellent instructors for 6 max.
PanchoStern is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2009, 10:46 PM   #102
PanchoStern
veteran
 
PanchoStern's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: McAllen, Texas, USA
Posts: 3,197
Re: So I joined DC last night

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hartmw82 View Post
I have been watching the "S&G micro stakes grinder" series from Vandweller and maybe it's just me but his strategy seems ULTRA nitty. I'm used to playing super aggressive small ball, but when I play the kind of game these videos suggest, I find myself always ending up in a race with 10 BBs and 5 people left at the table...

Am I missing something?
You ought to drop by the tournament forums at DC. We are a pretty tight group there & share info freely with each other (like here only smaller scale). Also make sure you join the DC private SNG/MTT on Sunday's. We have a blast & exchange HH's & critique each other's play. By the way velo was a total newbie & he IS a winning player now. I was angling for his spot on the series but vandweller deemed not as crappy.
PanchoStern is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2009, 11:53 PM   #103
sylence2k2
journeyman
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Foxwoods
Posts: 287
Blue Fire Vs Leggo Vs DC

Im a 6max, 100 nl player looking to fix leaks and move up. Any suggestions on which site might be more ideal?
sylence2k2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2009, 12:06 AM   #104
BWMASJR
grinder
 
BWMASJR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 497
Re: * Official Training Site Discussion Thread *

Quote:
Originally Posted by uofi2012 View Post
What are the best sites/series/videos for learning fullring, for non-beginners? I am beating SSNL HU/6-max pretty well, and am interested in learning FR as well. So series specifically focusing on transitioning from shorthanded games to FR ones would be ideal.

Also, the same question, but for PLO instead of FR?

Thanks.
DJ Sensi and Nolan both have 2-3 good series on DC that fit what your looking for as far as NL is concerned. I'm not sure of any sites that have a deep selection of FR PLO
BWMASJR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2009, 12:25 AM   #105
steel108
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
steel108's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: The Bike
Posts: 7,209
Re: Blue Fire Vs Leggo Vs DC

All 3, SERIOUSLY.
steel108 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2009, 02:08 AM   #106
ajloeffl
grinder
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Las Vegas baby!
Posts: 634
Re: Blue Fire Vs Leggo Vs DC

If you play on FTP, sign up for trulyfreepokertraining.com and get free access to both Stox and Cardrunners if you rake enough. Besides those two, I'd suggest bluefire.
ajloeffl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2009, 02:59 PM   #107
TrevRobCR
journeyman
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 357
Re: Blue Fire Vs Leggo Vs DC

Quote:
Originally Posted by sylence2k2 View Post
Im a 6max, 100 nl player looking to fix leaks and move up. Any suggestions on which site might be more ideal?
For 100nl, you really can't go wrong at any site. For this, I would recommend either of the following.

CardRunners
LeggoPoker
DeucesCracked
BlueFire Poker
PokerSavvyPlus
TrevRobCR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2009, 11:18 PM   #108
TianYuan
adept
 
TianYuan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 889
Re: * Official Training Site Discussion Thread *

Maybe a stupid question but does anyone know if there's some kind of way to waive the gigantic sign-up fee for CR?

I used to be a member long ago but I really don't feel like paying the sign-up fee all over again, especially when the only videos I want to watch are the PLO hu ones (obviously I'd end up watching others as well, namely NL HU, but still).

Are there any holiday promotions or anything coming up? I heard they had waived the sign-up fee for a while a couple of months back but I must have missed that.
TianYuan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2009, 11:44 PM   #109
All_or_Nothing
Pooh-Bah
 
All_or_Nothing's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Swing trading my last shirt!:P
Posts: 4,736
Re: * Official Training Site Discussion Thread *

Training sites are over-rated in general.
All_or_Nothing is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2009, 12:22 AM   #110
PanchoStern
veteran
 
PanchoStern's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: McAllen, Texas, USA
Posts: 3,197
Re: * Official Training Site Discussion Thread *

Quote:
Originally Posted by All_or_Nothing View Post
Training sites are over-rated in general.
Right.
PanchoStern is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2009, 10:44 AM   #111
mersenneary
Food = Love
 
mersenneary's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: I'm with you in stockland
Posts: 12,187
Re: * Official Training Site Discussion Thread *

Quote:
Originally Posted by PanchoStern View Post
Right.
I agree with him. They have their place for certain types of players with certain types of goals, but in the calculation of expected lifetime hourly, they often don't stack up all that well. Plenty of times they do, of course, but that discussion to the level of the individual isn't had nearly as much as it should.
mersenneary is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2009, 02:21 PM   #112
aejones
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
aejones's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Running the Streets
Posts: 20,011
Re: * Official Training Site Discussion Thread *

Quote:
Originally Posted by actyper View Post
Of course these sites rely on affiliate and advertising revenue, if not whats the point of having them up. I also agree that this forum section is a great source of info for training sites. But when you attack the legitamacy of my site (pokertrainingguide) I do have a problem with. Check out the rankings and tell me where I have been biased in the results. I think its a very good representation though I'm always welcome to comments and suggestions.
I am a high stakes no-limit hold'em player who is affiliated with one of the training sites that is talked about in this thread from time to time and reviewed on poker training guide . com.

I am also, however, able to be unbiased when I make the following remarks. These are off the top of my head and were simply the first few things that I saw.

1. In the Pot-Limit Omaha Rankings you have Poker Swat and Stox Poker ahead of Blue Fire Poker. I am under the impression that Phil Galfond, also known as Jman, makes the best Pot-Limit Omaha videos out there. Countless poker friends and students have told me this. I also think they have people who have been directly influenced by Phil making midstakes PLO videos. Perhaps it is because you are ranking quantity over quality? I can't imagine any other video reason, but for the record, I would be shocked if one of Phil Galfond's videos is not more helpful to someone's PLO game than two dozen of any PLO instructor on Stox Poker or Poker Swat, none of whom I have ever heard of. A ranking like this immediately loses your credibility.

2. In the Heads up No-Limit Hold'em Rankings, you list Poker Savvy Plus and Stox Poker above Leggopoker. Leggopoker, in fact, is no where to be found in the Top 5, despite the fact that they have three videos from 25k NLHE HU tournaments, and a handful of Heads Up videos at 100-200 and above among almost 100 NLHE HU videos. Despite that, it is listed as a weakness in the Leggopoker review, along with the blurb that: "Apathy is a great addition to the Leggo lineup and will be producing some high quality videos." This is listed as Leggo's only HU pro-- no mention of MYNAMEIZGREG, aejones, luckychewy, Zugwat, theashman103, etc. All high stakes or nosebleed heads up players who have many heads up videos on Leggopoker. Additionally, Apathy has made exactly 1 training video for Leggopoker in the past calendar year-- how outdated is this site? I don't know anyone on Poker Savvy Plus or Stox Poker who sits at high stakes NLHE and waits for action all day, whereas I know multiple who make videos for Leggopoker who do that. In fact, I bet people who worked for Stox Poker and PSP would just concede NLHE category to a site like Leggopoker.

3. In the "Other Games" section you appear to count PLO twice, unless I'm missing something. The reason I am confused, is because you list both Poker Swat and Stox Poker above Deucescracked. DC, however, has 80 "other" videos, 26 stud videos, 7 Razz videos and 123 Omaha videos by what is likely a higher quality than Poker Swat, who has only 2 "other" videos, and ~40 PLO videos (these numbers are taken from pokertrainingguide.com). I am confused about this, and perhaps I am mistaken, but I thought that Deucescracked was built on "other" (limit, horse, stud, etc.) games. It seems weird that a relatively new site like Poker Swat would have the content already, which to me seems like only 2 Horse/08 videos, to overtake someone like DC who has been making these videos for such a long time.

These are only the most egregious things that I saw.

Additionally, there are 5 advertisements on your homepage alone for either FreePokerTraining.com and their two sponsored poker training sites. Although I can imagine that you could theoretically be unbiased with these advertisements, I just don't see it shine through. In pokertrainingguide's defense, there are very few people who are qualified to review multiple training sites, and pokertrainingguide appears to be in the majority here.
aejones is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2009, 06:04 PM   #113
PanchoStern
veteran
 
PanchoStern's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: McAllen, Texas, USA
Posts: 3,197
Re: * Official Training Site Discussion Thread *

Aejones any chance of Leggo expanding & adding more MTT vids? I'd join if you guys had more MTT vids or if you had some SNG vids.
PanchoStern is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2009, 07:06 PM   #114
DJ Sensei
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
DJ Sensei's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Crackin' them deuces
Posts: 8,694
Re: * Official Training Site Discussion Thread *

+1 to aejones. I found the DC review to be very outdated, and I'm sure others are as well. Example: Joe Tall and Deathdonkey are listed as MTT instructors, presumably because of a few videos they made in 2007 before the current form of DC even existed. In the world of poker training sites 6 months or a year is an eternity!

At the very least the site should list the date of their most recent review. Ideally they would actually update reviews every month or two and doublecheck their accuracy.
DJ Sensei is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2009, 07:20 PM   #115
Thibo
journeyman
 
Thibo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Canada
Posts: 300
Re: * Official Training Site Discussion Thread *

Quote:
Originally Posted by TianYuan View Post
Maybe a stupid question but does anyone know if there's some kind of way to waive the gigantic sign-up fee for CR?

I used to be a member long ago but I really don't feel like paying the sign-up fee all over again, especially when the only videos I want to watch are the PLO hu ones (obviously I'd end up watching others as well, namely NL HU, but still).

Are there any holiday promotions or anything coming up? I heard they had waived the sign-up fee for a while a couple of months back but I must have missed that.
Sign up through: trulyfreepokertraining.com
Thibo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2009, 07:42 PM   #116
TianYuan
adept
 
TianYuan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 889
Re: * Official Training Site Discussion Thread *

Thanks for the suggestion, but I play on iPoker It's not feasible for me to play on FTP unfortunately (swedish, FTP is kind of a grey area as far as taxes go, well maybe not so much grey as "taxable", unlike european sites).
TianYuan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2009, 11:19 AM   #117
WiGuM
grinder
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 600
Re: * Official Training Site Discussion Thread *

Does anybody have any suggestions for videos that directly refer to live play? (not just full ring)

I enjoyed (CR) Vital-Myths series, Live no limit: The real cash game
WiGuM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2009, 12:04 PM   #118
krakoose
stranger
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 6
Re: * Official Training Site Discussion Thread *

Excellent thread.
krakoose is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2009, 06:14 PM   #119
JimmyRare
old hand
 
JimmyRare's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Sweden
Posts: 1,716
Training sites credibility

I have recently started to type in the screenname of the coaches playing in the videos at PTR (pokertableratings) before watching. Today I read old blog posts from Greg (leggopoker) and saw he had great success winning a bunch of dollars. This motivated me to watch his videos, but when I search "MYNMSGREG" and "lolmonies" at PTR I am not impressed. He seems to be down a lot this year. Why is this?
I lose all my motivation to watch a video when the coach seems to be a losing player. Is PTR accurate? Am I missing something else?
JimmyRare is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2009, 06:18 PM   #120
Thibo
journeyman
 
Thibo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Canada
Posts: 300
Re: Training sites credibility

Quote:
Originally Posted by JimmyRare View Post
I have recently started to type in the screenname of the coaches playing in the videos at PTR (pokertableratings) before watching. Today I read old blog posts from Greg (leggopoker) and saw he had great success winning a bunch of dollars. This motivated me to watch his videos, but when I search "MYNMSGREG" and "lolmonies" at PTR I am not impressed. He seems to be down a lot this year. Why is this?
I lose all my motivation to watch a video when the coach seems to be a losing player. Is PTR accurate? Am I missing something else?
PTR isn't that accurate..

search for aejones imo.
Thibo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2009, 07:02 PM   #121
PanchoStern
veteran
 
PanchoStern's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: McAllen, Texas, USA
Posts: 3,197
Re: Training sites credibility

I'd watch any of their vids any time. Anyone can go on a dowswing for a period of time but the cream always rises to the top.
PanchoStern is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2009, 08:36 PM   #122
xSCWx
Pooh-Bah
 
xSCWx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Exploring the world
Posts: 5,425
Re: Training sites credibility

I don't know much about that particular coach, but be sure to look at what stakes they are beating and what stakes they are losing at. A bad shot at 200/400 doesn't make someone a losing player at 10/20.
xSCWx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2009, 08:50 PM   #123
ChicagoRy
 
ChicagoRy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: ColoradoRy
Posts: 19,600
Re: Training sites credibility

As far as I know that particular coach has a very good reputation.

Also, while big winning players are always the biggest draws and least questioned, you should look into the content of the video rather than the stats of the video makers more often. That goes for everybody, some of the training sites have some very good coaches with average stats.

The thing is, most training site members are low to mid stakes players. Who is going to relate best for low to mid stakes players? Low to mid stakes, solid winning players. Now, someone like Jman or CTS that can explain their through process very well may be better, but don't discount the mid to low stakes video makers just because their stats aren't "omg profit."

Who's the best golf coach? How many majors has he won?

Who's the best basketball coach? How many MVPs did he win?

Who's the best hitting coach? How many batting titles did he win?

To make it to the nosebleeds, you need more than fundamental poker skills, or even x and y poker skills, you need a lot of deeply developed mental skills to stay at those stakes and some players, no matter how strong they are fundamentally and no matter how good they are at beating and teaching the mid stakes, just won't have those skills and won't ever move up (not talking about MNIZG on that one, I don't know much about him other than leggo owner and good reputation as a player).
ChicagoRy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2009, 09:14 PM   #124
reverie
adept
 
reverie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 1,000
Re: Training sites credibility

he's a very good player and an example of how ptr rarely tells the full story.
reverie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2009, 02:34 PM   #125
actyper
grinder
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Tea Dot
Posts: 463
Re: * Official Training Site Discussion Thread *

Just to reiterate the point, there is absolutely no financial gain whatsoever from promoting pokerswat. Perhaps it was just fresh in my mind when updating the rankings.

Last edited by mersenneary; 12-07-2009 at 02:52 PM. Reason: rest of the post deleted, last warning about doing anything more than correcting misinformation in this forum
actyper is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply
      

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:39 PM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 2008-2010, Two Plus Two Interactive
 
 
Poker Players - Streaming Live Online