Villain was kevorkallin and played 29/3/1.1, which seems very passive, so I didn't want to play for stacks w/ one pair or a middle overpair.

Any interpretations on what these overbets mean? Hands happened in this order about one round apart.

I’m playing 14/10/3 w/ a 32% ATS.

Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

(UTG): $98.50
(UTG+1): $188.30
(MP1): $137.90
(MP2): $52.00
Hero (CO): $114.40
(BTN): $153.15
(SB): $16.00
kevorkallin (BB): $99.90

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with Q A
4 folds, Hero raises to $4, 2 folds, kevorkallin raises to $11, Hero calls $7

Flop: ($22.50) 3 Q 4 (2 players)
kevorkallin bets $31, Hero ?



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(UTG): $115.90
(UTG+1): $188.20
(MP): $136.40
(CO): $50.50
Hero (BTN): $101.90
(SB): $152.15
kevorkallin (BB): $117.25

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with J J
4 folds, Hero raises to $4, SB calls $3.50, kevorkallin calls $3

Flop: ($12.00) 5 9 6 (3 players)
SB checks, kevorkallin bets $11, Hero calls $11, SB folds

Turn: ($34.00) 3 (2 players)
kevorkallin bets $97, Hero?

I dunno about hand 1, but I snapcall/allin hand 2.

no idea. what kind of hands do ppl overbet flops/turns OOP with?

I'd shove in hand 1 and fold hand 2.

Whats the reasoning behind these plays?

I fold both hands.

First one looks like overpair to me - min3bet preflop and overbet flop.
Second one looks like set to me. potsize donk into 3 players + overbet turn.

Fold AQs pf to this guy. Also, if you're ever going to call a reraise this has to be a flop you are willing to get it in on.

Hand 2 is close but I think I call. FWIW I have seen villain open-jam A9o utg for $65 preflop. I don't know, I think he's moody and/or always gambles on his last hands. Like he's playing on his lunch break or something.

I agree w/ both of these now. Especially the part about the villain's tendencies. I think he overplays and can be looked up lighter. I actually pulled him up after my session was over and scouted him for a while. He seems exploitable.

By putting >10% of my stack in pf I made an error in hand 1.

If I make any raise >min raise on the flop then I am committed to hand 2. By just calling and folding when I did I kept from committing to the hand. I think this villain may have felt that he could bully me. Well, bullies get punched in the nose eventually. Now that I've got some info that he's not always playing in par w/ his 1.1AF, I think that I can play better against him in the future.

I snap fold AQs on hand one pf and move on, you are op and he has a tight range. Hand 2 is tough, any history?

It is passive but not too passive for someone who plays 30% of their hands. Especially when he is raising so little - I am learning to interpret these stats better - I think it really means that he's likely to be taking the lead away from the preflop raiser (ie: donking and/or check-raising) fairly often and playing aggressively in limped pots.

I looked through some hand histories and basically saw blind aggression in just bad spots. He doesn't seem to understand position, as his steal% is on par with his pfr - I actually have him raising on the order of 9% but most of them were jams - I think he just tilt shoves a lot - like shoving AJo in MP over standard EP raise for $50. But with big pairs he will likely reraise smallish as he did here and bet huge on the flop.
Basically, look to call a lot of his shoves with big aces that have his range CRUSHED - I know I will be doing the same.
Also, one hand I saw I flopped top 2 on ATx flop, checked when flush card 9 hit and he bet 15 on the river with T6... which makes no sense really either.

The more hands I look through, the more of a call hand 2 is. I absolutely do not give him credit for being ahead of our hand here. This is so likely to be a naked 9 or maybe even some big draw that he was hoping to get in on the flop with and now just jams cause he doesn't know what to do. This is not a player I give credit to for a set. I mean - his fold bb to steal % is in the 40's- he's not giving you too much credit here and leads because he think his hand is good... I mean, you only really donk a set if you're confident that it's into an overpair... right? He's just looking to take it down with his pair and not let a big card fall. He will be surprised when you call and have an overpair, no doubt. Maybe he planned on folding to a flop raise, but now he thinks you're on a flush draw ... and no one likes it when people catch their flushes.

Fold both.

Thanks, Penguin! That's some good analysis.

I am very much in position.

First hand is a definate fold PF for me. Can't imagine being ahead unless we flop the flush. Even if you flop top two, it would be a bad spot if villain pushes as AA and QQ would be in range.

Second.... I'll call this alot. There are alot of hands villain can hold that we are ahead.

Here's a discussion that a friend of mine had w/ Adanthar concerning these 2 hands over AIM:

A Friend: u there
Adanthar : yeah
A Friend: do you have a min to discuss two hands?
Adanthar : sure
A Friend: landlord, a guy on our site asked me about these hands
A Friend: and we were chatting about them last night, curious what you think
A Friend: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...d.php?t=164472
Adanthar : fold 1 pre, problem solved
A Friend: two questions on this one
Adanthar : 2's a fold until you see this be a draw
A Friend: why such an easy fold? Why interpret the RR from the BB as a monster
Adanthar : because he's 29/3
A Friend: haven't used PT in a while
A Friend: the 29% means that he's fairly loose, right?
Adanthar : he raises 3% of his hands
Adanthar : yes
A Friend: what does the 3 mean again
A Friend: oh
A Friend: so let's say you didn't know anything about him
A Friend: do you still fold AQs from a BB RR
Adanthar : go broke x2
A Friend: so you're saying that you would usually fold AQs from a BB RR
Adanthar : it's small stakes full ring and he's 29/3
A Friend: let's say you didn't know this
Adanthar : like I said, go broke
A Friend: so you're saying that you don't play most hands from a BB RR?
Adanthar : go broke means to stack off
A Friend: not sure I'm with you...
A Friend: it means that you need to be willing to go broke?
Adanthar : ...get the money into the middle of the pot
Adanthar : heh
A Friend: maybe I'm think
A Friend: thick
A Friend: so once again
A Friend: if you're in the co and you make a standard raise
A Friend: and you don't know much about the blinds
Adanthar : call
A Friend: you do call?
Adanthar : and then wind up all in on Qxx
Adanthar : ie go broke
A Friend: so you would call and you would then be willing to commit to that flop
A Friend: right?
Adanthar : yes
A Friend: got it!
A Friend: now on second hand
A Friend: I told LL that it was a mistake not to raise on the flop
A Friend: do you disagree?
Adanthar : yeah in full ring it is
A Friend: why not in sh game?
Adanthar : because in 6 max his range is much wider and your goal is to just get all in vs whatever crap hand he has
A Friend: looks like a flop that I always want to raise
Adanthar : in full ring he has the nuts too often
A Friend: I mean the flop
A Friend: not the turn
Adanthar : yes
A Friend: on the flop
Adanthar : people donkbetting pot into multiple guys in FR games does not mean what it means in 6m
A Friend: the guy just made a pot riase
Adanthar : in 6m, it means nothing
A Friend: right
Adanthar : in FR from a 29/3, it means we have a problem
A Friend: but you need to think you're good there... right?
A Friend: at least to see if he puts it all in against you
Adanthar : and if we *are* good, we dont nec want to raise, either
A Friend: but most cards are going to look bad to us with that flop
Adanthar : okay this is a basic thing that I think small stakes guys dont get in general
Adanthar : whenever I see the words "raise to see where you're at" I think "okay, he's pretty bad"
A Friend: well feel free to assume I'm bad <G>
A Friend: but I have an overpair to this board
Adanthar : it's not particularly easy to explain but
A Friend: I'm likely good at this point unless the guy hit trips
A Friend: he doesn't have a higher pair
A Friend: almost any card that comes on the turn is going to scare me
Adanthar : 1)it doesnt matter if you are good often if he folds everything worse every time you raise
Adanthar : 2)it'll scare him worse than you because he's 29/3 and you're presumably not as terrible
Adanthar : 3)if you raise and he shoves a flush draw you fold having put 1/3 a stack in the pot
Adanthar : sometimes, not knowing where you're at is not the most terrifying thing to be avoided at all costs
A Friend: fine, so let's say we just play it the way you said, which is call
Adanthar : then he bets 3x pot on the turn and tells you
Adanthar : so okay you lost $11 instead of 35
A Friend: now he doesn't make a crazy bet
A Friend: let's say he bets the pot
A Friend: which is likely
Adanthar : then we sometimes call sometimes fold and sometimes bluff
A Friend: the $97 bet is an easy fold, unless you know something about the guy...
Adanthar : depending on the player, the card, how deep we are, our willingness to call a river bet and the phase on the moon
Adanthar : of
A Friend: okay, thanks for the lesson!

A thanks to Adanthar for letting me post this to the thread.

fold both