Chainsaw,

Even when I (think I) agree with you, you are so tilting. See the post only 3 above yours.

interesting new thread this past week - Raymer wants a staking deal in MP

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/18...014-a-1406927/

Wow.

I have to admit that this is a little tough for me to relate to. I'm not anywhere near Raymer's class (or expenses) as a player. But the main reason I can't relate to any of this is that, from the first time I had a deep run as a part-time micro tournament player (7th of 4,200 in a $3.30) I decided right then that I liked winning that money, and that I would never have a backing deal, sell pieces, or do anything else that gave anyone else a share of my winnings, whether my ceiling turned out to be $100 tournaments or 10K.

That said, here are my thoughts:

1. Someone who made national news for being caught with a prostitute isn't in a great bargaining position when his wife wants something. His answer to anything she wants has to be "Yes, dear."

2. This might be a dumb question, since a lot of poker players go broke, but here goes. As far as I know, none of those broke players have won the Main Event. How is it even possible that anyone who wins millions of dollars in one tourament, or their spouse, would even have to worry about money again?

Raymer isn't some sterotypical hick from Mayberry that won a lottery and blew it all buying fancy houses and new cars. Before he was a poker pro he was a lawyer, an educated person that either knew how to handle and invest money, or had easy acess to smart people that could help him with that.

How could someone that smart, with that kind of windfall, with the advisors that he has available, EVER be in a position where his wife would have to worry about money? The day he won the Main Event, he and his wife should have been set for life.

Before I started playing poker full-time my wife and I were already in pretty good shape for our future. She has worked for the same hospital system, starting when she was 16 years old (when she opened her retirement account) washing pots and pans, while she finished high school and college, and she still works there for that hospital system and is still contributing to her 401(k) age 60. I am eligible for my military retirement in a year and a half. We have almost no debt (it's been ten years since we made a house or car payment), and since I am a veteran my wife and I can fly free anywhere in the country on space-available military flights.

During that time before poker, my wife and I never had a six-figure household income (she has since been promoted twice.) But we were already well on the way to having a great retirement.

My wife doesn't have to worry about my play being backed, in fact, I turned down an unsolicited backing deal. I use good bankroll management, so which tournament I choose to play never has, and never will be an issue.

What's wrong with this picture?

It's not like no one has been succesful as a touring pro buying in with their own money. From Kathy Leibert (the first person to play 100 WPTs) to Daniel Negreanu to Johnathan Little, there have always been successful touring players who used their own money to play tournaments. How can someone who won the Main Event not be able to do this?

I just don't get it.

He didn't have 100% of himself for the Main Event.

He may have lived outside of his means like 95% of Americans do and can't continue that living now that Stars isn't footing a lot of his tourney buy-ins.

Jamie Gold and Jerry Yang also have had past financial problems as Main Event Winners.

He may already be well past the point where he should be playing all the big buy-in events around the world, but is trying one last hail mary to keep himself relevant in hopes of landing a sponsorship deal for the future.

Anyone being broke (or not in the most comfortable spot) in the poker world isn't surprising to me anymore. 10 years of it has opened my eyes to the reality of poker.

I think the key phrase is "around the world." In one of Little's books he talks about his tournament selection, and he considers time management and money management in making those decisions.

As a two-time WPT winner, he wants to play a lot of events because of the possible benefits that could come with being one of the very few 3-time winners. On the other hand, he will sometimes pass on the expense of foreign travel if he can find a decent tournament in the US, or otherwise make good use of his time, without spending all that money for travel.

I think that staying in the US could be the difference for a lot of players in whether or not they make a profit.

Since I can fly free almost anywhere in the country, I may never play a tournament outside the US, except maybe Canada. I live about 200 miles from Windsor.

The Toilet Jaka
The Duke of Freemont Street
Jimmy Fricke

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...ammer-1406093/

Started playing online at an insane age (12 I think?) ran it to nose bleeds, hooked on drugs, busto and scammed the community of tens of thousands.

The sites don't want underage players because they might be taken advantage of, but the problem is even worse in the other direction.

Someone who is not of legal age can't legally be part of a contract, written or verbal. That's why a 17-year-old can only join the US military with parental consent.

The bottom line is that a 12-year-old could scam all they want and say screw you, you can't touch me. This isn't the first time this has happened, and it probably won't be the last.

That said, it's hard to believe that all of this could have been going on without the parents knowing something. If the parents enabled this behavior, or negligently allowed their son to steal or defraud, there could be some liability there.

The problem is that proving such a case would be difficult, and intent or damages could be hard to establish, even if all of the involved parties are adults, since so many financial agreements between players often are not written down.

The only agreements I will to discuss with other players are whether to show and whether to chop, and I usually won't say yes to either.

Apparently Brandon's parents both died when he was very young.

Sam Grafton would be a good guest very entertaining.

It would be an abomination if Bilzerian wasn't a guest in the next few weeks. So much to talk about with him and so much entertainment EV guaranteed.

Please Pokercast!

+1.......Come on guys!! Would be such a fun interview. Since the ME, DB has been mentioned on every podcast.

I literally cannot agree more with this.

+eleventy bazillion

Ya I have to give a +1 to the Dan Bilz suggestion.

He should be able to get on with a "loan" of 1 million $ to mike and Adam right??

I know mike always picks great music for the show. Has anyone suggested a 'my favourite track' segment before? A bit like story time but get different players to pick their favourite song and talk about it a bit, maybe play some of the song also.

Someone should discuss this Alibaba.com site where u can basically order current casino chips.

Scary stuff

Do you have a link? It's really just a search engine (iirc) for a bunch of stores. Are they selling knockoffs?

http://www.alibaba.com/quotation-det...240875439.html

when you guys start talking WSOP 2014 for reals. the issues i have:


1, ecigs. micon definitely had one going at the FT of the 2013 ME. they not banned anymore or micon just gets special treatment because thats how vegas works?

2, the clock. its been the same clock for me since 2007. its probably been the same clock since the wsop went to the rio. it is so out of date its embarrassing that the WSOP organizers think that they run a premium event when they are still using a dual scrolling list of 2 different speeds to list payouts. Always a useful thing when theres 300+ people cash etc.

It doesn't seem very expensive to change and something the players council should have sorted year 1 they were established. I don't know if that still exists but to me they did jack **** for any avg player. Just look at how the EPT clock handles paying more than 20 people and we can have something that wasnt made pre internet.

3, late reg. i really really hope they let people prereg tournaments but not put chips into play until players turn up. again how epts do things. This is actually quite important for people playing full summers, because it's an incredible drain to have to keep going back everyday at 12pm to play poker tournaments. Sometimes I need to mosey in at 3pm and not have to deal with massive lines.



these are just some issues i have off the top of my head. I'm mostly interested in sorting the clock out, doesnt seem unrealistic to upgrade it, i just dont know who a regular player like myself has to tweet to get it rolling.

we pay all this rake and they cant upgrade the one screen that almost (possibly all) every player in a tournament will look at. I tweeted @wsoptd but no acknowledgement of receiving a tweet at all.

Garrett Adelstein. 2p2er, deucescracked coach gman, and now survivor contestant.

http://www.cbs.com/shows/survivor/ph...elstein/48456/

Also one of the top movers in the hendonmob views calculation: http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=97348

Here is a 2p2 thread on him: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...vivor-1410785/

.....hey, uhhmmm you guys should have, uhhhmm that guy Dan Bilzerian. Yeah! Should get that guy on.

Sent from my Dan Bilzerian inspired man cave DB200-NV

Adam asked, "Should we have him on and ignore the bad stuff or should we not have him on?"

No matter who it is, of those are my choices, I'd rather not have him on. Sorry. Self promoters are boring.

+1

Dan heimiller

I like Dan and have asked him a couple times to come on the show but it never seems to work out.