Episode #443 - December 22nd, 2016

Live from the Two Plus Two Studios - On this episode of the Pokercast: A truly international episode, the first time the gang has all been in separate countries! We chat about our holidays and then review some of your posts in the Questions/Comments thread of the Pokercast forum. This week in the news: Ivey is ordered to pay back over $10M to the Borgata, Will Kassouf is back talking his way into awkward situations, Matt Savage posts about an interesting rules conundrum, High Stakes Database releases all player information and more. Continuing along the thread of Degen Stories, Adam’s buddy and WSOP bracelet winner Michael Gracz joins us with some stories of his own. After Mike, we’ve got some 140 or less, and then we chat with Zachary Freeman of Run It Once. Zach was the first exclusively live poker coach for RIO and we get him on the line from LA to chat about where to play which games in the LA scene, Profiling players and playing GTO against randoms. Zach has some great insight into approaching new games as well. We also get into some more of your great mail before we wrap things up. Happy Holidays from the Pokercast!

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Oh snap... I didn't even see that come up on my feed. 'Tis moved to the top of the listening list.

This William Kadouche limelight "brand" thing is so lame and somewhat awkward as well.
Watching this guy trying to develop a "brand" with a "character".
If I wanted to hear an over-confident, over-talking douche at my table, i'd go to my Uncle's on Thanksgiving.
I can't wait for everyone to find this guy like.. yesterdays news..

oh ya.. happy holidays

I haven't listened yet but am looking forward to hearing you guys weigh in on Kassouf taking 2nd place money for the title and the right to show his infamous 9 high "boss" hand from the wsop in the winners photo. This man left a potential ~ $200K on the table for bragging rights.

Thanks for inviting me on the show. I enjoyed it. I will check back here if there are any follow-up questions or comments.

Zach Freeman.

I had some time so I modified my personal NLHE simulator to handle this game.

In 1 Million deals, here are the equities I found:

42.0% for the AKQJ (random suits)

58.0% for the Six random cards

Ship the $20 T!

I was pretty certain 6 cards would have an edge...

I think even AA against any THREE random cards, AA would still be an underdog. I'm not 100% on that though...

I'll take the AA

I have run this simulation. But I won't post the results in case Adam and Terrence want to mention the new game of "AA vs 3Randoms" in the next Pokercast.

You could choose sides or do an over/under bet on the equities if you both choose the same side.

Before going wild on all emotional strings:

http://maxsilver.net/the-art-of-the-deal/

He gave up $X in equity (about 10K euros). That's how a poker player should think. Most of the time he gets second place money and some other times he gets first. The potential $200K for bragging rights is a silly way to look at the situation and ignores stack sizes and probabilities. If you read the Max Silver link, William was offered exactly one deal with slightly bad money and the title thrown in as a sweetener. The first hand report doesn't match your internal picture of a guy you dislike. FWIW, I'm no fan. However, saying he gave up a shot at $200k for ego doesn't match either math or the report.

Like a boss. It makes sense because getting a guaranteed unpaired high card hand shouldn't have any edge vs. a 6 card pineapple hand.

Is this pineapple or crazy pineapple? Does the 3 card hand get to see a flop before deciding?

I assumed the AA vs. 3 Randoms game was just like the earlier AKQJ vs. 6 Randoms in that each player gets to use 0, 1, or 2 of their cards at showdown. Of course, AA only has two cards so that doesn't matter to the AA person. The 3 Random player does not have to decide which cards he wants to play (0, 1, or 2) until showdown.

So you don't have to discard a card ever unlike Pineapple or Crazy Pineapple. Some people call the variant that I analyzed Lazy Pineapple or Tahoe HoldEm.

Actually played Tahoe. Clearly don't want to with you, because you might not be terrible at it (like the rest of us). Old guy memory to forget that the multi-card hand went to showdown and played 0, 1, or 2. Actually surprised that a random unpaired high card hand did so well.

I'll go out on a small limb and say a 4 card random hand vs. AA still has an edge. 3 cards, it might be worth gambling about. First guess is that AA is just so strong that it wins vs only 3 while being a small dog to 4.

Of course, equity simulations are definitive only when there are no "interim" strategy/decisions that need to be programmed. So I would not trust anybody's simulation results on any pineapple games (pre-discard).

You know, 3 card holdem (Tahoe) isn't a great game. It is too easy to make great hands and the proper play is to be tight -- a 3 card hand that works well together crushes someone with 2 good cards and a dangler. 3 card Omaha/8 is a great game, the people I used to play with called it something like "Southern". It makes non-nut hands less suicidal, so hand reading is more valuable. In a loose live game A3 and A4 are more playable for low and K or Q high flushes aren't just fool's hands. We should really get Ross playing the variation flop games, it will save him from the lure of sports bets.

Sweet