Episode #396 - January 29th, 2016

Live from the Two Plus Two Studios - This week on the Pokercast: Have you thought about learning PLO but don’t know where to start? We link up with John Beauprez for some discussion on the switch from Hold’em to Omaha. To start... someone paid quite a bit more for a potato than Ross did, a pokercast listener has a score and the NHL is out to get a player. We also induct the one an only Isildur1 to the IPWOF! This week in ICYMI: Aussie Millions updates, A Puerto Rican man is embalmed and placed on the felt, WSOP Town Hall and one of pokers most hated gets happily married. Pokerstars’ Bryan Slick joins us to update us on TCOOP and squash the rumour of the alleged bot that made it heads up in an event. John Beauprez is our guest this week. We talk with John about rebuilding after black friday, his 2013 WSOP bracelet and deep run in the Main Event. Although we really had John on to educate you on the great game of Pot Limit Omaha. John runs PLOquickpro.com where he professionally coaches people who are switching from Hold’em to PLO. We chat about some strategies and misconceptions people have when they begin playing with 4 cards instead of 2. After a break we get to poker tweets in “140 or less”, your voice and e-mails in the Mailbag, break down a few hands from Ross and fill Adam in on a joke he missed in the beginning of the show. As always, the Pokerstars invitational password and formats are in the show!

Music: Black and Yellow - SrslySirius, dj mek - back in my day

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Ross Report Hands:
Hand 1
Hand 2
Hand 3
Hand 4 (Very gto advanced)
Hand 5 [NL]

Going for gold

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0pvFulUd98

Head up

podium

Olympic diploma

goop

after_pope

joepla

FT

Guys.....I frequently giggle or chuckle under my breath at your various jokes or wise cracks throughout the show but that first VM had me in absolute stiches. Well played sir, well played.

Ya, that has to be the best VM we've got so far. Loved it.

Hey guys,
That was my lil Lu. She's a riot, no?
We will prolly pop in again and say hi in a couple weeks.
Btw,
You made her day/week/month w the responses. She's pretty sure she's super famous now
Keep up the good work,
L8rs,
Navonod/Donovan

A couple of things about the go discussion:

1) what makes go tough for AI isn't just the # of options (branching factor), it's also the lack of an obvious metric to tell who is ahead (so in chess, the tally of captures tells you who is winning most of the time, there's nothing similar in go). The major break through in go ai, maybe ten years ago, was the introduction of Monte Carlo systems to give an option for this. The new champion ai blends them with some new neural net thingy.

2) beating the European champion isn't the same as beating the best: wikipedia tells me he has a 2 Dan pro diploma. That's not a perfect measure of strength I don't think, but it does suggest he's a bit behind the best 9 Dan Asian pros. The actual paper says that they played 10 games, 5 formal ones and 5 informal ones with slightly different time controls, and the full result was 8-2.

Terrence was talking about conditioning in sports, after his latest massage. There was a small amount discussed on this in The Vertical Podcast https://art19.com/shows/vertical

In the interview with Clippers guard JJ Redick he goes through his game day routine, so may be of interest?

Only just picked up this podcast, but as a NBA fan it seems to one of the better ones, specifically with the production quality.

Fortunately, the John Scott saga had a happy ending:
http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on-...game-mvp-award

To paraphrase a line from the movie JFK: "That's like saying the family dog isn't very intelligent because he only beat me two times out of five the last time we played chess."

Fair point, but this isn't the Deep Blue moment for go, not quite yet.

Kind of a rec player and don't know who John Beauprez is. He was great either way, and also sounded identical to Phil Galfond in podcast format. Great show again fam, excited about the new sponsor!

lol at Adam after free PLO coaching from John.

I imagine that it's more likely the player who didn't respond to dealmaking was a person (why would a bot be programmed to check the "make a deal" box, unless it's auto-checked, I've made like two final tables of Pokerstars MTTs ever and don't remember if they even had deal-making), but I thought completely laughing off any concern over the matter wasn't great. People are concerned over bots in online poker, and a player was doing something that it seemed no reasonable person would ever do (completely ignore an hours' worth of chat messages while playing on other tables). I imagine that NVG overreacted and made wild assumptions, but it sounded like people were being called complete idiots for suggesting that it even possibly could have been one.

Looks like Galfond's question is more split than Adam and Terrence would have thought, as they seemed to think it was a pretty obvious choice. To refresh, here is that Twitter convo:



Steve O'Dwyer (with others agreeing) said no one cold called. Jay Farber further clarified that a cold call can only follow a 3-bet, 4-bet, etc. But the general definition of a cold call, as we all know, is a call after a bet AND a raise. So if the blind is the bet and a raise is, well, the raise, wouldn't any call be considered a cold call?

To me, the answer is the CO only. The BTN and BB overcalled. Anyway, you can see why the discussion was so varied.

Thanks for the shoutout on my DFS bink. Would recommend to others, and am willing to experience it again.

You guys missed the easiest transition to the next topic with the multi million dollar potato mention, since I was also the lucky recipient of Ross's "gift."

The debate about cold calling, I believe, comes down to a question of multiple term interaction.
If I over call but put no money in prior to the over call then would you say I cold called which was also an over call or is it enough to say that I over called?

Also, if bb has money in just in his blind and elects to call an open prior to actually VPIPing is his a cold call or no ?

Not as black and white to me as it seemed to the guys on the show.

CO obviously cold called
I would say button cold called (and his cold call was an over call)
And I would think bb made a cold call as well but am def less certain on this.

In limit games, after a raise, the first person to call is cold calling if they haven't put money into the pot already (posting, blinds, etc). You can have only one cold caller per per betting amount, but you could have two different cold callers on a street.

Example: UTG raises, UTG+1 calls (cold call), HJ 3 bets, Button calls (cold call).

First time I've followed the hands along while listening to them on boomplayer, and it really helps! I need to save the Ross Report for when I'm at a computer I guess.