The course is not 1000 hours of videos,cmon now, that's a huge exaggeration. Sure I pointed out if one goes at it alone then it will take more time. Your course is called Win1k, so I assume it is tailor made to make the buyer 1K a month,right? So you have basic fundamentals covered and probably nothing else, right. Basic fundamentals and make 2bb/100 at plo 20 + RB and that's 1000 euro.

Basic fundamentals = Free donkr article, Jeffs book and a month subscription at DC. $50 at the most and a month of your time. Even the Win1k is going to cost you some time.

I just want to address the "hit and run scammer" you have presented. Do you know what scam means? It's misleading or offering something other than the actual product one thinks he is getting, such as your webinar does.

Downloading all the content from deuces cracked for a months subscription is not scammy at all, why should I stay signed up to a site that hardly produces plo content anymore.(I will admit that it might be cheap, but hey I'm a broke plo'er, trust me when I say this but if I ever strike it big, I'll be sure to give something back too. Hell, I'll even get in touch with Jay, Emil, Nowhere man, DJ Sensei and all the other plo coaches there.).

If you go the an all you can eat buffet, are you suddenly scamming them if you eat more than the value of admission? DC allows you to DL their content, unless I am going against company policy which I am not aware of.

Also are you saying that the content that is in Win1k is actually all the content as in books and videos out there? Because that's what it seemed like you are saying.


LOL John. So you are going to give me the Win1k for free and in return, you want what exactly? It's not free if I still have to do work, right! What you are asking seems like a lot of work, documenting progress etc seems like a blog etc. That's too much.

I am willing to take your challenge and I do want to take my PLO game to the next level. I primarily play plo10 and plo20. Gone broke several times moving up in stakes, never been able to maintain at plo50 or higher. So yes, you are correct to assume that I play those micro stakes. I am not perse looking for the cheapest method or some magic bullet but most certainly also not looking for the most expensive.

I am curious how some of these online wizards are able to have such high win rates, while I struggle to break even. I mean do you agree that if they can make 10bb/100 at any level (such as donkpredator) that I too am capable of making the same win rates? Are you confident to say that any average joe is capable of producing the same results if only they go through your courses? In a way when you compare these wizards with me, then yeah, I probably am interested in their magic formula. Do you teach their magic formula? Is that why I have not been able to break through yet?

I propose this:
-An honest review. About content, structure, ease of understanding/did you explain it thoroughly, is there enough content, is it too long, too short etc.
-I'll give notes on each lesson. To prove that I have gone through the course.
-Once I have completed the course I am willing to give honest feedback as to whether it has helped me improve my game. I am willing to post my results post Win1k on here to see if it has had any impact on my game. Agreed?

Anyone who has not tried the course has no relevant opinion.

The 30 day money back guarantee says it all. It makes it simple for anyone who is serious about learning. Is the course worth it? "Well ****! I have 30 days to decide. What do I have to lose?"

If you want to go the cheap route and spend less on books and DC subscriptions, go for it! It will take more time because you will have to go through the same process John went through to learn what he did. Lots of hours gleaning a little here and there. But what is your time worth? Do you have lots of time? Good! Go learn the hard way. Is your time valuable? Good! Spend money and learn the easy way. Whatever your situation, I can assure you that your time is NOT best used posting negative reviews on a forum about a training site that you have never used.

Yup bandwagon much! Just because John assumes I have not looked into his course does not mean that I have not. You both have incorrectly come to that conclusion.

What you both write is just personal opinion as to whether the course is indeed priced correctly. You go on about time and value of time, yet have you even done any testing to see how long it would take to get the his material, also I have not even posted a review, so how can it be a negative one? I simply stated that this course is overpriced and better and cheaper options are available.

It's a course aimed at micro stakes players, I mean if John lived in the REAL world he would understand that a micro player does not have $400 lying around. He's just thinking that if he markets it correctly then most "uninformed americans" will buy it. And he's probably right, they will end up purchasing it but that does not mean it's priced correctly.

Who cares if you have a money back guarantee if you can't afford it in the first place.

You are essentially agreeing that John sourced his course from other material out there and put this course together.

I just visited his site again and in post #20 he said that the site would have a complete overhaul within a week that was 6 weeks ago, his site still does the same scam BS it was doing before.

Mario, you've had a run at John and he's answered you and given you a very generous offer. You don't want to take it, fine but I've had enough of the attacks.

Are you talking to me Shwartz? Attacks? What are you talking about? I'm entitled to my opinion, am I not? Why are you even writing a message to me?

Why not tell the truth, John as paid you money to have his product advertised here, and you feel the urge to address my freedom of speech. I think you are well out of line here. Anything for the $$$$ kid! People like you is what is wrong with this world!

Yes

You've used the word scam in just about every post, even after John and others point out there's a 100% money back guarantee. You clearly have a personal vendetta against PLOQP and John for whatever reason.

You are, you've voiced it several times and it's just repetitive at this point. You aren't being reasonable.

Of course John paid to be a sponsor/partner of the Pokercast, why would I need to point that out as it's obvious. The sky is blue, Mario.

This is a privately owned website, it's also moderated to keep the discussion as appropriate as possible.

Not the first time I've been told that people like me are what's wrong with the world, so get in line boss.

Yeah, if you even bothered to look on his site instead of just blindly accepting his $$$ as an excuse, you would realise that his website is a scam.

When you try to purchase Win1k for example it takes you to this webinar page, which is fake and misleading. That's why I called it a scam. Then to make things even scammier he tries to make you buy several courses. Go look for yourself. I understand John is your buddy and all but his site is unacceptable.

Fake and misleading = scam or is my wording incorrect?

Op even asks if Win 1k is the best place to start! And I have given my opinion about that.

Scam = someone stole your money. Not a matter of opinion.

Your opinion of fake and misleading is just that, your opinion. Which you have stated over and over.

There's more than 1 meaning to the word "scam". Don't just cherry pick what you want it to mean!

It is also just "your opinion" that you think his site is not a scam! Or what you think of my views are just opinions.

Also what's your problem about my opinion, am I not entitled to have an opinion, cowboy!

Definition of "scam" from Dictionary.com:
noun
1. a confidence game or other fraudulent scheme, especially for making a quick profit; swindle.
verb (used with object), scammed, scamming.
2. to cheat or defraud with a scam.

And from British dictionary definitions of "scam":
noun
1. a stratagem for gain; a swindle
verb scams, scamming, scammed
2. (transitive) to swindle (someone) by means of a trick

Soooo, if you are getting a 30 day money back guarantee then I don't see how your use of the word "scam" is either appropriate or accurate SuperMario7.

I can't but help think of one of my favorite Shakespeare quotes for you and your repetitious "review" posts here: "I think (s)he doth protest too much".

Time to drop your diatribe and move on to another discussion thread.