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Old 07-20-2012, 02:17 PM   #16
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Re: ZOOM NL100 Whole hand review

OP did you think about villian's range at all when he raise/calls this flop in position, then checks back the turn on a card that basically always gives him the best hand 100% of the time if he didn't have it already, but then jams over your river bet in a spot where you rep full houses only and have the worst possible one?

I'm guessing you did not.
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Old 07-20-2012, 06:29 PM   #17
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lol jimmy said it best
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Old 07-21-2012, 07:36 PM   #18
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c/f river, more on flop.
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Old 07-21-2012, 07:36 PM   #19
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err, yeah what jimmy said.
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Old 07-21-2012, 08:31 PM   #20
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Old 07-22-2012, 04:12 AM   #21
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Re: ZOOM NL100 Whole hand review

Holy winning batman.
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Old 07-22-2012, 09:01 AM   #22
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c/f river, more on flop.
wow, actually makes sense but doubt I could ever do this.
Could villain not still have a straight that got scared of the flush on the turn?
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Old 07-22-2012, 12:34 PM   #23
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wow, actually makes sense but doubt I could ever do this.
Could villain not still have a straight that got scared of the flush on the turn?

Scared of the turn flush, but then shoves over when one of the worst possible cards for a straight hits on the river...???

No one turns a straight in to a bluff at this level.
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Old 07-22-2012, 12:45 PM   #24
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Scared of the turn flush, but then shoves over when one of the worst possible cards for a straight hits on the river...???

No one turns a straight in to a bluff at this level.
RosaParks is suggesting a check/fold not a bet/fold.
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Old 07-22-2012, 01:44 PM   #25
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Board is skeery. I would not be surprised to see a straight regularly check back that particular river. They are in a similar situation. They don't want to be checkraised, and not much they beat calls after having the flop be 3bet.
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Old 07-22-2012, 01:53 PM   #26
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Ye what I'm trying to say is that if straights could show up here we have ourselves a value bet (b/f). We'd need a mere 4combos of straight for an EV+ value bet assuming straights never bet when checked to (if they do we need less).

I'm mostly playing devils advocate here as a c/f seems so extreme. Whether both QJs and 67s call pre, don't bet turn and don't ship the flop seems unlikely.
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Old 07-25-2012, 04:41 PM   #27
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Re: ZOOM NL100 Whole hand review

B/f river is probably better than c/f (he can call with str8 and flushes, but he is never ever bluffing river when he checks back the turn).
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B/f river is probably better than c/f (he can call with str8 and flushes, but he is never ever bluffing river when he checks back the turn).
But Hero describes villain as 'ABC'. ABC bets turn with flush, surely? I think if we bet river the only plausible hand we get called by is JJ only. Doubt that even that is in villains range (can't see HH anymore cos replying on iPhone and forgot what happened pre).

Saying that, as much as I'd love to be able to c/f in real time, I just couldn't, heh.
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Old 08-08-2012, 10:35 AM   #29
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Ye what I'm trying to say is that if straights could show up here we have ourselves a value bet (b/f). We'd need a mere 4combos of straight for an EV+ value bet assuming straights never bet when checked to (if they do we need less).

I'm mostly playing devils advocate here as a c/f seems so extreme. Whether both QJs and 67s call pre, don't bet turn and don't ship the flop seems unlikely.
I didn't count T9s, this brings hands that beat us to 5 combos. Looking at this 67s probably doesn't call and there are 3 combos of QJs which may fold pre, and probably shove the flop.

Ye I'm going to agree with a river c/f now, doubt I'd pull it off at the time.
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Old 08-08-2012, 02:27 PM   #30
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Re: ZOOM NL100 Whole hand review

Villain is doing what you are doing on the flop i.e. pricing out draws.

Villain is doing what you are doing on the turn i.e. pot controlling when draw hits.

Villain is doing what you are doing on the river... shoving a full house+. Thing is, his tens full or quad nines beat your eights full.

You have enough information with his stats and actions to fold to his river raise (and yes, I feel that up to that point you played the hand fine -- including the river bet).
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