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Old 05-31-2012, 11:16 PM   #1
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Winrate / Lossrate by position

Running thru HEM and having a discussion with another reg. Thought I'd post it here to see what the consensus is. EP, MP, C/O, BU, SB, BB bb/100

I'll go first (obv I filtered out HU play):
S/B -20
B/B -26.1
EP +9.4
MP +14.4
C/O +17
BU +39.4

In addition is anyone here a winner at SD with one pair? (its a report on HEM called Hand at SD)? I'm negative 200k with it in my last sample.
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Old 05-31-2012, 11:59 PM   #2
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In addition is anyone here a winner at SD with one pair? (its a report on HEM called Hand at SD)? I'm negative 200k with it in my last sample.
I don't think that's a useful statistic. You are likely an overall winner with 1 pair hands, BECAUSE most of them don't get to showdown, and most that do get there improve by showdown. If you only count the ones that get to showdown unimproved, you are creating a biased statistic that doesn't seem useful to me.

I don't think you want to see too many showdowns with an unimproved pair, that might be a leak (so maybe the stat has some usefulness). A random starting hand played blindly to showdown will beat a pair 40% of the time.

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I don't think that's a useful statistic. You are likely an overall winner with 1 pair hands, BECAUSE most of them don't get to showdown, and most that do get there improve by showdown. If you only count the ones that get to showdown unimproved, you are creating a biased statistic that doesn't seem useful to me.

I don't think you want to see too many showdowns with an unimproved pair, that might be a leak (so maybe the stat has some usefulness). A random starting hand played blindly to showdown will beat a pair 40% of the time.
Don't care about analysis (altho you do have valid points), just care about raw data. Thanks.
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Don't care about analysis (altho you do have valid points), just care about raw data. Thanks.
Lol, ok but playing styles and ability will cause a wide range of results with unimproved pairs at showdown. Good luck with that data.

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Lol, ok but playing styles and ability will cause a wide range of results with unimproved pairs at showdown. Good luck with that data.
Thanks man. I agree completely. More concerned with positional stats and who wins what and what is considered "normal". Who are you on stars again? I'm brtnboarder
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losing everywhere
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Old 06-01-2012, 06:05 PM   #7
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Old 06-01-2012, 06:16 PM   #8
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Re: Winrate / Lossrate by position

-8
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39

that's only 250k hands from this year tho, so prob just running good
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did you filter out hu play?
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Old 06-01-2012, 06:31 PM   #10
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yep, rarely play hu
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Old 06-01-2012, 06:44 PM   #11
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that's only 250k hands from this year tho, so prob just running good
you sir win the table selection crown
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yep big bumhunter always on 16+ tables
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yep big bumhunter always on 16+ tables
fail at only 250k hands this year then
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Old 06-01-2012, 06:55 PM   #14
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I'm just efficient!

and you know how merge is, takes a while to get all your tables up

50k hands/mo. is pretty impressive for US player imo
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I'm just efficient!

and you know how merge is, takes a while to get all your tables up

50k hands/mo. is pretty impressive for US player imo
totally didn't realize you were still in US, my apologies. 50k then is in fact legit considering circumstances.
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