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Old 02-04-2012, 04:45 AM   #1
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Two WTF spots

Hand #1 MP1 is 23/21 over 200 hands

MP3: $100 (100 bb)
CO: $134.47 (134.5 bb)
BTN: $117.80 (117.8 bb)
SB: $100.50 (100.5 bb)
Hero (BB): $118.86 (118.9 bb)
UTG+2: $60.91 (60.9 bb)
MP1: $105.94 (105.9 bb)
MP2: $103.68 (103.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J 7
UTG+2 calls $1, MP1 calls $1, 4 folds, SB completes, Hero checks

Flop: ($4) Q 7 4 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks

Turn: ($4) J (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.40, UTG+2 calls $2.40, MP1 calls $2.40, SB folds

River: ($11.20) T (3 players)
Hero bets $5.50, UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises to $26.50




Hand #2 MP1 is 35/18 over 140 hands

CO: $100.80 (100.8 bb)
BTN: $107.26 (107.3 bb)
SB: $150.02 (150 bb)
BB: $378.48 (378.5 bb)
UTG+2: $100 (100 bb)
MP1: $122.16 (122.2 bb)
Hero (MP2): $100 (100 bb)
MP3: $40 (40 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T J
MP3 posts BB OOP, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls $1, Hero raises to $5, MP3 folds, CO calls $5, 3 folds, MP1 calls $4

Flop: ($17.50) 2 T 7 (3 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $9.50, CO folds, MP1 calls $9.50

Turn: ($36.50) Q (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $25, MP1 calls $25

River: ($86.50) 5 (2 players)
MP1 bets $82.66 and is all-in
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Old 02-04-2012, 04:57 AM   #2
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Re: Two WTF spots

Easy folds to me both.
I like hand 1, b/f river seems fine, he is'nt going to show up with worse and there are a lot of combo's that beats you with that river.

I don't like hand 2, you make a mistake on the turn. Would rather see you check it back and decide river on such a dry board. He's not going to call f+t with a worse T.

And it would be nice if you give us some more stats.
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Old 02-04-2012, 07:15 AM   #3
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Re: Two WTF spots

WTF!!!!!!
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Old 02-04-2012, 08:19 AM   #4
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Re: Two WTF spots

fold one call two
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Old 02-04-2012, 09:18 AM   #5
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fold one call two
other than 89 what is doing this?
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Old 02-04-2012, 10:18 AM   #6
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Re: Two WTF spots

j9 and a lot of diamonds are well within his range, but he could just be doing this with bottom pair or something.
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Old 02-04-2012, 10:21 AM   #7
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Easy folds to me both.
I like hand 1, b/f river seems fine, he is'nt going to show up with worse and there are a lot of combo's that beats you with that river.

I don't like hand 2, you make a mistake on the turn. Would rather see you check it back and decide river on such a dry board. He's not going to call f+t with a worse T.

And it would be nice if you give us some more stats
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why is valuebeting vs 35/x fish with 2nd pair bad?
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Old 02-04-2012, 10:23 AM   #8
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j9 and a lot of diamonds are well within his range, but he could just be doing this with bottom pair or something.
I mainly agree, although this is also what fish do with the nuts too when they get too scared that you'll check back. I think it's close, but I lean towards calling as he only needs to be bluffing 1/3 of the time.

Hand 1 I probably make the river bet, then check the "Fold to any bet" box and move onto the next table.
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Old 02-04-2012, 11:51 PM   #9
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im with renton.
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Old 02-05-2012, 12:04 AM   #10
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Same renton putting it down
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Old 02-05-2012, 12:38 AM   #11
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OK I agree.

In hand 2 I faked the HH to make calling less heroic, but I actually had 44. Should I call the river? And yes I know, the turn bluff is bad vs a fish.
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Old 02-05-2012, 02:05 AM   #12
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Re: Two WTF spots

Fold/Fold.

I really don't like calling a full sized river donk here with 44. I don't think this is a line that randoms would take as a bluff all that often and he could even be spazzing out with a hand like 7xdd.
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Old 02-05-2012, 09:59 PM   #13
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OK I agree.

In hand 2 I faked the HH to make calling less heroic, but I actually had 44. Should I call the river? And yes I know, the turn bluff is bad vs a fish.
It's a pretty bad turn bet. I'd also call with 44 but there is a huge difference and it is much closer.
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Old 02-05-2012, 10:12 PM   #14
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i think 44 crosses the line between call and fold due to your aforementioned spaz.
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Old 02-06-2012, 04:34 AM   #15
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idk i think that this is gutter/diamonds often enough that we are good 1/3 the time.
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