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Two hundo: Is folding an over pear in a 4-bet pot too nitty? Two hundo: Is folding an over pear in a 4-bet pot too nitty?

05-22-2014 , 07:57 AM
The villain is a reg, running 21/15 over 286 hands.

PokerStars - $2 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

MP: $246.84
CO: $208.50
BTN: $200.00
SB: $487.23
Pokie (BB): $203.00
UTG: $618.17
UTG+1: $203.00

SB posts SB $1.00, Hero posts BB $2.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Pokie has K K

UTG raises to $4.00, UTG+1 raises to $16.00, fold, fold, fold, fold, Pokie raises to $40.00, fold, UTG+1 calls $24.00

Flop: ($85.00, 2 players) 8 6 Q
Pokie checks, UTG+1 checks

Turn: ($85.00, 2 players) T
Pokie checks, UTG+1 bets $42.00, Pokie calls $42.00

River: ($169.00, 2 players) T
Pokie checks, UTG+1 bets $121.00 and is all-in, fold

Spoiler:
UTG+1 wins $166.20


What do? Should I have folded the turn?
05-29-2014 , 12:01 AM
pre looks heaps solid bro
05-29-2014 , 05:41 AM
Um. Why are you check-calling down an overpair in a 4bet pot and folding the river with no overcards?
05-29-2014 , 08:05 AM
I thought I was beat obviously.
05-29-2014 , 01:48 PM
Eat your pear PF... Other streets played masterfully.
05-29-2014 , 03:14 PM
must be dem pocket queens
05-30-2014 , 12:27 PM
Compared to most pokie HH threads, this one actually isn't that badly played. I honestly think river is a fold vs. most regs.
05-30-2014 , 04:00 PM
Those guys were implying it's an easy call on river ? lol
05-30-2014 , 08:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by zachvac
Compared to most pokie HH threads, this one actually isn't that badly played. I honestly think river is a fold vs. most regs.
this. definitely don't 4bet pre
05-30-2014 , 08:16 PM
Call...
06-02-2014 , 08:35 PM
I play it the same, so maybe you should be doing something different.
06-03-2014 , 08:50 AM
Cheers for the feedback guys.
06-24-2014 , 01:37 AM
you missed a crucial continuation bet on the flop. you would've either...
a. won the pot right there
b. gained information for the later streets
06-24-2014 , 07:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DreamAlive
you missed a crucial continuation bet on the flop. you would've either...
a. won the pot right there
b. gained information for the later streets
A: Do I necessarily want to take the pot down on the flop, since if my opponent folds, he is making a correct decision since he is folding a hand worse than mine?

B: What information do I gain and how do I react to that information? Can you explain this more please. I bet and he folds, likely means he didn't have a good hand. I bet and he calls, does this mean that I am beat and so I check/fold? I bet and he raises, do I fold to the raise or do I ship it?

Back to you.
06-24-2014 , 01:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DreamAlive
you missed a crucial continuation bet on the flop. you would've either...
a. won the pot right there
b. gained information for the later streets
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doofus Krondelly
B: What information do I gain..?
You gain information that he didn't fold to a continuation bet.
06-25-2014 , 08:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MeleaB
You gain information that he didn't fold to a continuation bet.
And then do what with that information my kind sir?
06-25-2014 , 11:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doofus Krondelly
A: Do I necessarily want to take the pot down on the flop, since if my opponent folds, he is making a correct decision since he is folding a hand worse than mine?

B: What information do I gain and how do I react to that information? Can you explain this more please. I bet and he folds, likely means he didn't have a good hand. I bet and he calls, does this mean that I am beat and so I check/fold? I bet and he raises, do I fold to the raise or do I ship it?

Back to you.
theres absolutely no reason not to bet on that flop especially since you already showed aggression preflop. if he calls then he either has AQ or QQ and you can play accordingly on the next streets. if he comes over the top, then you have no choice but to call his all-in.
if he folds then that's all you were going to get out of him anyways.

but to just check on that flop gives him an opportunity to bluff you out, suck out on you and you just gave him control of the hand unless your intention was to slow play him until the end.
06-25-2014 , 02:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DreamAlive
theres absolutely no reason not to bet on that flop especially since you already showed aggression preflop. if he calls then he either has AQ or QQ and you can play accordingly on the next streets. if he comes over the top, then you have no choice but to call his all-in.
if he folds then that's all you were going to get out of him anyways.

but to just check on that flop gives him an opportunity to bluff you out, suck out on you and you just gave him control of the hand unless your intention was to slow play him until the end.
So you're betting away and calling any shove, so if he has QQ then so be it. Yet, by checking you're fearful of getting bluffed off your hand?

Additionally on dry boards with low SPRs, I would imagine concerns over giving free cards should decrease and value from inducing bluffs should increase. This isn't necessarily an argument for checking (as for me it would depend mostly on my opponent and the history that we have) but rather is to highlight how poor I think your logic is.
06-25-2014 , 09:36 PM
you asked for an opinion man. don't get so offended when people offer it.
06-26-2014 , 12:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DreamAlive
you asked for an opinion man. don't get so offended when people offer it.
I didn't ask for anything, and certainly no one specifically asked for terrible advice.

However, seeing as that's what you came up with, and seeing as this is a strategy thread, you should expect someone to highlight your flawed thinking with their own advice. Don't get so offended when people offer it.
06-26-2014 , 03:27 PM
my mistake. i mistook you for the OP.
and no, i didnt ask for advice so no thank you and youre the one who attacked me first so **** you.

there are 2 types of people in this world, the ones who talk the talk and then there are the people who walk the walk.... and you have 2,675 posts in 2 years.

now i know remember why i stay off poker forums and stick to playing poker. thanks for reminding me. im out.
again, **** you.
06-26-2014 , 04:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DreamAlive
my mistake. i mistook you for the OP.
and no, i didnt ask for advice so no thank you and youre the one who attacked me first so **** you.

there are 2 types of people in this world, the ones who talk the talk and then there are the people who walk the walk.... and you have 2,675 posts in 2 years.

now i know remember why i stay off poker forums and stick to playing poker. thanks for reminding me. im out.
again, **** you.
Well that's a shame, just as it was starting to feel like you were a good laugh to have around.

You didn't make it clear in your initial post that you were a big baby. No one attacked you. I said I thought your logic was poor, and gave my own opinion on the hand, and you got upset.

Does your mummy still wipe your bum?
06-26-2014 , 06:57 PM
nope your slut mom wipes my ass.
you just got re-raised bitch. im out of here. i have no more responses for you.
06-26-2014 , 07:02 PM
Potty mouth.
06-26-2014 , 07:08 PM
Lol funny to read these last few responses.

As for the hand I think I agree with the person who said flat pre.

As played I think it looks fine.

      
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