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Old 05-29-2012, 06:47 PM   #31
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Re: Theory: 3-betting EP opens

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(ex. squeezing the fish out of the pots, I swear to god makes me want to murder players).
I thought most of your post was v good, and this is a trivial point but I always have to disagree w/ this. I used to think the same thing, but what usually ends up happening is you squeeze the reg out, the fish flats anyways, and you get heads-up w/ a fish in a bloated pot. It is annoying as the opener though obv.

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However, there are plenty of regs at midstakes that have 15%+ EP open and some have significantly more. I do not see why we should not exploit that and 3b (somewhat) wide vs those villains. Also I think we are losing a lot of value by flatting the absolute top of our range vs any 10%+ EP range (and hardly any NL 200+ reg has less than 10%), but if we plan to 3b it, then we also need a 3b bluffing range
This was kind of my thought. Not that we necessarily need a huge bluffing range at NL100, but I still think even most bad regs notice how strong most ppl's range is when we 3b. I was just getting a ton of folds in these spots, so I thought: "hey...why not bluff here a little more often?"
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Old 05-29-2012, 07:19 PM   #32
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Re: Theory: 3-betting EP opens

I dont think 3bing is bad, I think 3bing sc's is a poor choice for hand to 3b tho
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Old 05-29-2012, 09:00 PM   #33
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Re: Theory: 3-betting EP opens

There are some regs who are super exploitable in these spots.
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Old 05-29-2012, 11:50 PM   #34
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Re: Theory: 3-betting EP opens

Who said we have to fold vs 4bets?
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Old 05-29-2012, 11:57 PM   #35
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Re: Theory: 3-betting EP opens

yet another thread assures me the games will never get bad
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Old 05-31-2012, 06:00 PM   #36
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If he is std tight reg why would he not have positional anomalies with his fold to 3b? Why would it ever be as high as 60% in EP.

If he knows that you recognise him as he seems on what freq do we expect to face a 4b and fold?

I'd have more joy flatting and exploiting flops in position maybe with a priced in blind
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Old 05-31-2012, 10:39 PM   #37
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Re: Theory: 3-betting EP opens

AA, KK & the top of your suited connecting fold range.

I also couldn't recover my screen name. sigh
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Old 06-08-2012, 01:36 PM   #38
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Re: Theory: 3-betting EP opens

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this is a conundrum that I want to see answers to because I sat and thought for 30 minutes and I don't have one, except fold preflop.

Mixing in a bluff every now and again can't be all that awful right?
3b AA/KK/AK (if he calls wideish otherwise flat)/Q8s
cawl JJ-QQ and some suited broadways if he's that wide
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Old 06-11-2012, 08:06 PM   #39
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Mixing in a bluff every now and again can't be all that awful right?
depending on stakes and opponent its not that often necessary to balance ranges with some bluffs
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Old 06-11-2012, 08:26 PM   #40
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Re: Theory: 3-betting EP opens

just to be clear brt, you think regs at midstakes flat a lot in that spot (maybe entire continuing range), correct?
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Old 06-16-2012, 11:15 PM   #41
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entirely opponent dependent:

chinese or russian (full stacker): 3bet value
chinese or russian (shortstacker): 3bet bluff w/ any blockers
british: 3bet bluff w/ sooted ax/kx/connectors
canadian: too balanced to 3bet
I thought this was meant as a joke...until I tried it for a couple of sessions. Surprisingly effective.
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