Table 'Grano' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: $-Twackle-$ (€200 in chips)
Seat 2: wess0r1982 (€77 in chips)
Seat 3: SlavaSVK (€211 in chips)
Seat 4: Scorpion5443 (€205.64 in chips)
Seat 6: aljufo (€200 in chips)
Seat 7: mcIaren f1 (€203 in chips)
Seat 8: svansa (€200 in chips)
Seat 9: rmanjkeee (€84 in chips)
rmanjkeee: posts small blind €1
$-Twackle-$: posts big blind €2
24kgilded: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to aljufo [x x]
wess0r1982: folds
SlavaSVK: folds
Scorpion5443: folds
aljufo: raises €2 to €4
mcIaren f1: folds
Scorpion5443 leaves the table
svansa: folds
rmanjkeee: folds
$-Twackle-$: calls €2
*** FLOP *** [Ks Jh Ad]
$-Twackle-$: checks
aljufo: checks
*** TURN *** [Ks Jh Ad] [Qh]
$-Twackle-$: checks
toprmaw joins the table at seat #4
aljufo: checks
*** RIVER *** [Ks Jh Ad Qh] [Ts]
$-Twackle-$: bets €6
aljufo said, "wtf man"
aljufo: calls €6
*** SHOW DOWN ***
$-Twackle-$: shows [x x] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
aljufo: shows [x x] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
$-Twackle-$ collected €10.03 from pot
aljufo collected €10.03 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot €21 | Rake €0.94
Board [Ks Jh Ad Qh Ts]
Seat 1: $-Twackle-$ (big blind) showed [x x] and won (€10.03) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 2: wess0r1982 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: SlavaSVK folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Scorpion5443 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: aljufo showed [x x] and won (€10.03) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 7: mcIaren f1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: svansa (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: rmanjkeee (small blind) folded before Flop
Quote:
Originally Posted by aljufo
do you think it's funny?
Next time someone asks me the definition of a nit, I will point them in this direction. In fact I would encourage all Stars regs to now start shoving in these spots against aljufo (and x out other sns ffs) just to see how mad he gets.
What's the big deal if a retard claims a reg is "scummy" and is wrong? As long as people aren't lying about it I don't see why it's such a huge issue if it's not clearly defined. No one who reads that thread is gonna think he's scummy for betting the nuts lol. Just leave it open imo and don't mod it, it's fine as it is.
i agree with this. it's not like some fish will see this and think omg this twackle guy is scum. and i doubt some random scrub can come in and say hey i tried to start tables with d_smith today and he grimmed me 4 times. unless he's a shortstacker and it actually happened and we all get to laugh at him
pretty sure twackle should acctually shove here. But im too lazy to do the math. Not betting at all is retarded. You could time out, you could misread the board, etc.
Quote:
Originally Posted by zachvac
Next time someone asks me the definition of a nit, I will point them in this direction. In fact I would encourage all Stars regs to now start shoving in these spots against aljufo (and x out other sns ffs) just to see how mad he gets.
What's the big deal if a retard claims a reg is "scummy" and is wrong? As long as people aren't lying about it I don't see why it's such a huge issue if it's not clearly defined. No one who reads that thread is gonna think he's scummy for betting the nuts lol. Just leave it open imo and don't mod it, it's fine as it is.
whatever then. aljufo is "wrong" and you are "right." maybe from now on we should all defer to you next time there is any doubt, since, clearly, you are a better judge than aljufo, right? what else is scummy? what about slowrolling? what about using PTR while playing? talking **** to fish? paying someone for their seat when scout is at the table? database sharing? datamining? partaking in strategy groups where you discuss other players' tendencies? softplaying a friend? staking someone that plays in your games? please, tell us which of these things are scummy and to what degree so that we may correct our behaviors.
this thread is stupid. we know what the site rules are. just FYI, Stars has an entire department dedicated to determining if people are cheating. if you see someone breaking the rules, ****ing send them an e-mail. oh yeah, and they have all the data and infinite ways to parse it. and they've been shown to ban/confiscate money from cheaters. so what is the problem?
if someone is NOT breaking the rules, get the **** over it or complain to stars about the rules. ****ing easy.
let's analyze this situation:
Quote:
Originally Posted by aljufo
Table 'Grano' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: $-Twackle-$ (€200 in chips)
Seat 2: wess0r1982 (€77 in chips)
Seat 3: SlavaSVK (€211 in chips)
Seat 4: Scorpion5443 (€205.64 in chips)
Seat 6: aljufo (€200 in chips)
Seat 7: mcIaren f1 (€203 in chips)
Seat 8: svansa (€200 in chips)
Seat 9: rmanjkeee (€84 in chips)
rmanjkeee: posts small blind €1
$-Twackle-$: posts big blind €2
24kgilded: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to aljufo [x x]
wess0r1982: folds
SlavaSVK: folds
Scorpion5443: folds
aljufo: raises €2 to €4
mcIaren f1: folds
Scorpion5443 leaves the table
svansa: folds
rmanjkeee: folds
$-Twackle-$: calls €2
*** FLOP *** [Ks Jh Ad]
$-Twackle-$: checks
aljufo: checks
*** TURN *** [Ks Jh Ad] [Qh]
$-Twackle-$: checks
toprmaw joins the table at seat #4
aljufo: checks
*** RIVER *** [Ks Jh Ad Qh] [Ts]
$-Twackle-$: bets €6
aljufo said, "wtf man"
aljufo: calls €6
*** SHOW DOWN ***
$-Twackle-$: shows [x x] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
aljufo: shows [x x] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
$-Twackle-$ collected €10.03 from pot
aljufo collected €10.03 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot €21 | Rake €0.94
Board [Ks Jh Ad Qh Ts]
Seat 1: $-Twackle-$ (big blind) showed [x x] and won (€10.03) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 2: wess0r1982 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: SlavaSVK folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Scorpion5443 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: aljufo showed [x x] and won (€10.03) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 7: mcIaren f1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: svansa (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: rmanjkeee (small blind) folded before Flop
listen carefully to my analysis.
is twackle cheating or breaking rules? no, so aljufo can **** off. if he had been, send an e-mail to security@pokerstars.com or whatever. with evidence, if you have any. they are far better equipped to deal with cheating.
and hurt; just beacuse sth is "allowed" doesn't mean is the right/good/we thing to do.
i did NOT say that because something is "allowed" it means that i condone it and/or think it's right/good. i'm just opposed to pitchfork-wielding villagers putting people on trial for arbitrary offenses, if you get my drift. whatever though, since i'm the minority, have fun and all.
It's not a trial at all though, that implies punishment. For the most part, 2p2 is pretty liberal with allowing people to say what they want. Regular players are simply using this board as a place to tell fellow regs about activities they consider scummy. If some players think fake table starting is fine and some think it's unethical, what's wrong with simply allowing someone to post that "player x fake table started" and then some people think he's engaging in unethical activities and some people think he's fine? Like I could see your point if there was any punishment whatsoever associated with your name being posted here but as long as people stick to the facts and just say what happened and why they think it's scummy then there can be free and open discussion on the ethics of some actions and people can decide for themselves whether an accusation has any merit at all.
Yay most hate filled thread on 2+2. right where to start...
Quote:
Originally Posted by hurt2
i don't know, but i object to 100% non-scummy regs like twackle having their names dragged through the mud. anyway, will leave you guys to it.
+1
But disagree that a thread like this can't serve a purpose, I really think a thread outing grimmers, people sitting out when fish do etc that warns regs of these people is a positive for a lot of the regs in this forum.
Quote:
Originally Posted by King Spew
Honestly, I don't really care one way or the other with this thread, but if y'all want to continue....maybe a tweak or two. It's not my call....OP hasn't PM'd me to delete the thread
Someone want to do the heavy lifting (OP ???) toward changing, not deletion?
List post numbers that we keep and I will delete the rest.
OP---- if you want to edit your first post, either PM me or post it here and I will c/p.
Quote:
Originally Posted by vinivici9586
ment wins
+1 to KS that this thread needs more structure
And yeah, I have held off pm'ing you until i had a clearer idea of the best way to proceed. At the moment, I think that involves deleting this thread and starting a new one where such as the one i described previously (read below) which should reduce the problem of people having to apply common sense to the situation (since now these "scummy" esq acts should be easily defined).
Quote:
Originally Posted by pontylad
I think that this thread should be deleted and allow a fresh one to take its place, outing grimmers and sit in and outers, firstly to provide evidence of regs doing this to stars (since they are now coming down harder on these people) and secondly to serve as a warning to other regs that play in these games. And although trying to prise a fish away from the table is probably not against tos, we can add these douchebags in for good measure. To avoid it being abused we can just make a rule to post with evidence or get infracted etc. I don't know whether that would appease people or not.
This could sort out a lot of the problems that are occurring in this thread.
It's not a trial at all though, that implies punishment. For the most part, 2p2 is pretty liberal with allowing people to say what they want. Regular players are simply using this board as a place to tell fellow regs about activities they consider scummy. If some players think fake table starting is fine and some think it's unethical, what's wrong with simply allowing someone to post that "player x fake table started" and then some people think he's engaging in unethical activities and some people think he's fine? Like I could see your point if there was any punishment whatsoever associated with your name being posted here but as long as people stick to the facts and just say what happened and why they think it's scummy then there can be free and open discussion on the ethics of some actions and people can decide for themselves whether an accusation has any merit at all.
that's great, but this is not what this thread is or will become. for starters, you'd want to name it something other than "the scum reg guide," which gives the impression that everyone that is called out as being scum is scum itt.
if what you described is what you want, you must be careful that the thread doesn't become breeding ground for conflict, defamation, and slander. step 1 is NOT naming your thread "the scum reg guide." right?
who is this noob with 16 posts saying that this thread was named inappropriately? Tbh i hoped the thread wouldn't deteriorate into **** flinging, that failed. If i was to start this again i would do it differently, I don't think that the title is the main problem with this though. It was an act to try and out the scummy regs who play with us day in and day out. These are people who's actions many of us call scummy when chatting to other players on skype etc, it shouldn't make that much of a difference if their names are posted here as warning to others. The title is fine, however the grey areas should be removed (so names that get posted here have actually done something which many consider scummy such as grimming (ie not fake table starting)) and hh's/screenshots should be a must.
Next time someone asks me the definition of a nit, I will point them in this direction. In fact I would encourage all Stars regs to now start shoving in these spots against aljufo (and x out other sns ffs) just to see how mad he gets.
clearly annoying clearly not worth making drama over
Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 2 A
Dr Poo raises to $5, MP1 folds, Hero raises to $18, 5 folds, Dr snail raises to $40, Hero raises to $62, Dr whale calls $22
Flop: ($127) 3 4 7 (2 players)
Dr doolittle checks, Hero bets $42, Dr nail raises to $208.50 and is all-in, Hero calls $137.59 and is all-in
Turn: ($486.18) 4 (2 players, 2 are all-in) River: ($486.18) 6 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
Spoiler:
Results: $486.18 pot ($2.80 rake)
Final Board: 3 4 7 4 6
Dr scum showed A A and won $0.00 (-$241.59 net)
Hero showed 2 A and won $483.38 ($241.79 net)
Two Plus Two
Tbh i hoped the thread wouldn't deteriorate into **** flinging, that failed. If i was to start this again i would do it differently, I don't think that the title is the main problem with this though. It was an act to try and out the scummy regs who play with us day in and day out. These are people who's actions many of us call scummy when chatting to other players on skype etc, it shouldn't make that much of a difference if their names are posted here as warning to others. The title is fine, however the grey areas should be removed (so names that get posted here have actually done something which many consider scummy such as grimming (ie not fake table starting)) and hh's/screenshots should be a must.
A
7
A
and won $0.00 (-$241.59 net)
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