Originally Posted by ChipRick
+1 quit b*tching...so sick of reading abt this sh*t in regs threads and what not...so poker players dont have too much in the area of morals or codes of ethics...sick news
If you want to argue against this thread then at least do it with a little dignity like Disco, rather than spitting ur dummy out. So you're annoyed about reading about it all the time in the regs thread? and now someone has created a separate contamination thread for it, you come in here to post just how annoying it is and how much you don't care? **** off, get over yourself. Why do you think i created a new thread instead of posting in the reg thread? so people like you that don't care, don't have to post your opinion of not caring, that non of us in here could care to listen to anyway.
Originally Posted by **********
tbh, i really don't like this thread. stuff like this seems appropriate to talk about amongst your other 2p2 friends on skype, but i really don't think it's that great to be making a thread where we accuse people of being scummy in a public manner like this. just seems like the labeling of someone as scummy is really subjective. too subjective to just have an open place for people to throw people under the bus.
i mean i can see stuff like grimming/hit and running be worth outing people on. but starting to call people scummy because they "fake table start" just seems a bit out of control.
Disco, i realise "scummy" is subjective and that what some people classify as scummy others may not. I also tried to stress in the OP that if people get named here once it does not mean they are inherently scummy. However, if you start seeing the same people named again and again for doing certain acts that are either against the TOS or stars' own ring table regulations then you can have more confidence in the assessment that they have been posted here for a reason. And it is a good thing to post there names here, they shouldn't feel good about acting like dicks at the tables and by naming them we may infact be able to exert a little pressure on these guys to stop doing things to the detriment of everyone.
The title "fake table starting" sounds out of control on it's own but not when you read the break down of what i meant by it (what i describe is clearly against stars ring regulations), the reason it sounds worse than it is is because there is no word yet within poker circles for the act of what is being done (so people just assume it's all encompassing phrase, when it is not). We can call it doing a Kras if people like? after Krasvi4ck or what ever his name is. It's extremely bad for the games, against stars' rules and self serving to the detriment of all.
Obviously people have to try and be sensible when posting in the thread otherwise the whole thing just falls down but again i tried to stress that at the start.
I personally don't see the difference in you telling your friends on skype who you think is scummy, than me telling people on here who i think is scummy, whilst i provide a reason and evidence for my claim. If the sites don't enforce their own rules effectively then some times it requires grass root actions to help the process along.
I do not expect everyone to agree with this and i am more than aware of the possible downfalls to this thread too (again i stressed i would have it closed if it was used inappropriately) but it definitely has a purpose.
Originally Posted by Ricepaw1226
this thread is hilarious.
i like the idea for grimmers and hit n' runners..
for the record, i've tried to get fish to play me HU...
thought that was standard practice tbh...
**but, only after they've said, 'ty' after a hand etc. ... not outta the blue.**
standard darwinian survival of the fittest, no?
fake table starters? that's pretty subjective..
i start tables.. but sometimes if games aren't goin' i don't really feel like playing a reg for an hr before someone else sits down...
And this is a good point, I do the same sometimes myself. Like i said it requires the person posting in the thread to have a modicum of common sense about them. For example you should be very very sure of what you post in here... for stuff like the table starting, that is going to require far more evidence that just sitting somebody once and them refusing.
An example I would use is someone like "Kak igrat" at the 100nl 6m tables. Before i mentioned him in the 6max regs thread I made damn sure that he was infact doing exactly what i purported him to be doing. After grimming me nearly a dozen times and continuing to sit out and open new tables (until the time i was sat at nearly 14 tables hu with him) I realised that his name could certainly go on the list.
The other thing about this thread is that it is obviously open to debate. There is nothing stopping any reg coming in here and posting positive information to back up a reg. If someone came in here and posted saying "Icepaw is a douche, refused to start tables" etc etc etc, then there is nothign stopping other regs coming to your defence and expressing a differing opinion.
And that's the key about this, it is all based on opinions, you have to be sensible enough to decide what information you choose to believe or not. A person getting mentioned here once for something obtuse should not weigh as heavily in peoples minds as the reg that gets named a dozen times with screen shots and hh's to prove it.
Again, the table starting thing is going to be a very small percentage of what gets posted here, most of it is going to be hit and runners, grimmers and people who sit out when fish do.
It requires collective action from people who care about this subject, those who are just on a witch hunt or other who are too self serving to care should just not post itt and everything will be fine.