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nah

If you want to argue against this thread then at least do it with a little dignity like Disco, rather than spitting ur dummy out. So you're annoyed about reading about it all the time in the regs thread? and now someone has created a separate contamination thread for it, you come in here to post just how annoying it is and how much you don't care? **** off, get over yourself. Why do you think i created a new thread instead of posting in the reg thread? so people like you that don't care, don't have to post your opinion of not caring, that non of us in here could care to listen to anyway.


Disco, i realise "scummy" is subjective and that what some people classify as scummy others may not. I also tried to stress in the OP that if people get named here once it does not mean they are inherently scummy. However, if you start seeing the same people named again and again for doing certain acts that are either against the TOS or stars' own ring table regulations then you can have more confidence in the assessment that they have been posted here for a reason. And it is a good thing to post there names here, they shouldn't feel good about acting like dicks at the tables and by naming them we may infact be able to exert a little pressure on these guys to stop doing things to the detriment of everyone.

The title "fake table starting" sounds out of control on it's own but not when you read the break down of what i meant by it (what i describe is clearly against stars ring regulations), the reason it sounds worse than it is is because there is no word yet within poker circles for the act of what is being done (so people just assume it's all encompassing phrase, when it is not). We can call it doing a Kras if people like? after Krasvi4ck or what ever his name is. It's extremely bad for the games, against stars' rules and self serving to the detriment of all.

Obviously people have to try and be sensible when posting in the thread otherwise the whole thing just falls down but again i tried to stress that at the start.

I personally don't see the difference in you telling your friends on skype who you think is scummy, than me telling people on here who i think is scummy, whilst i provide a reason and evidence for my claim. If the sites don't enforce their own rules effectively then some times it requires grass root actions to help the process along.

I do not expect everyone to agree with this and i am more than aware of the possible downfalls to this thread too (again i stressed i would have it closed if it was used inappropriately) but it definitely has a purpose.


And this is a good point, I do the same sometimes myself. Like i said it requires the person posting in the thread to have a modicum of common sense about them. For example you should be very very sure of what you post in here... for stuff like the table starting, that is going to require far more evidence that just sitting somebody once and them refusing.

An example I would use is someone like "Kak igrat" at the 100nl 6m tables. Before i mentioned him in the 6max regs thread I made damn sure that he was infact doing exactly what i purported him to be doing. After grimming me nearly a dozen times and continuing to sit out and open new tables (until the time i was sat at nearly 14 tables hu with him) I realised that his name could certainly go on the list.

The other thing about this thread is that it is obviously open to debate. There is nothing stopping any reg coming in here and posting positive information to back up a reg. If someone came in here and posted saying "Icepaw is a douche, refused to start tables" etc etc etc, then there is nothign stopping other regs coming to your defence and expressing a differing opinion.

And that's the key about this, it is all based on opinions, you have to be sensible enough to decide what information you choose to believe or not. A person getting mentioned here once for something obtuse should not weigh as heavily in peoples minds as the reg that gets named a dozen times with screen shots and hh's to prove it.

Again, the table starting thing is going to be a very small percentage of what gets posted here, most of it is going to be hit and runners, grimmers and people who sit out when fish do.

It requires collective action from people who care about this subject, those who are just on a witch hunt or other who are too self serving to care should just not post itt and everything will be fine.

in before, 'icepaw is a douche, refused to start tables.'

i will +3 for sexyangeline. table talk is way out of line for games (trashing fish because of their "stats", mentioning WR and ptr) and is a filthy grimmer.

i would also like to call out - eillersoggn (stars). he/she has grimmed me repeatedly in the most retarded circumstances; e.g. he sits alone at a table, i sit across to start a table, he wins the btn then leaves. or he sits in with me when i'm alone, and does the same thing - wins btn and leaves. absolute scumbag.

we had a sml talk about this one on the tables.. but i've talked and played kravasdjkfl; heads up before.. not anymore, as he doesn't want to play me or any other regs hu anymore.. but, idk.. he's a hu player.. and bumhunts fr games.. leaves when the table fills.. but we've talked.. don't think he's a bad guy.. i know of other players that do or did the same thing.. jimbo comes to mind.. guy is super good.. and used to bumhunt fr regs.. i have respect for him.. i just think that there are many games within the game..

*gameception*

now, grimming is a shtty 'game'.. and i think those people should be outted.. (there was one dude who was a pure grimmer.. woulda been at the top of my list here.) but not playing someone who you think has an edge on you is just smart, no? idk if any of that made sense.

when a reg sits deep i don't always wanna have a high variance regwar.. but i would also like to get a full table goin'.. so.. yeah.. you know what i mean.

edit: just saw your edit ponty...

this in itself is extremely sensitive as well. stealing/cheating/not paying debts? yes, dirty. berating fish? -ev, not dirty. stealing fish hu? +ev, dirty. sitting out with fish? (+/-) ev, (+/-) dirty [same concept as ghosting]. same as coaching.

i agree with disco. ppl should be outted for reasons to protect other community alone. everything else fits under the cattegory of "general annoyances" and to have a thread for that, while fun, speaks to the volume of FR nittery.

This is super passive aggressive attempt to reform ppl. contact them privately if you want them to change. doing it this way is dumb.

if thread exists to warn others of douchebags to AVOID, then its fine, but obv not original purpose.

i always suspected tina8484 of being a bot on ipoker is there anyway i can confirm it?

I think Kravs may be a nice enough guy too, In fact i also get on well with maxmeisters but if people repeat that these guys keep doing the things they're accused of then i would list them whether they are friends or not, it's not a popularity contest, it's regs looking out for the interest of the game as a whole (which also looks out for the interest of other regs).

And I agree there is no problem not wanting to play certain regs hu, god i know myself there are people i prefer not to play. But you handle it like a man, politely decline and sit out and let the other guy start the tables in the lobby... what you don't do is sit out and snap open another table to start or grim them then sit out... that's just redundant and beyond lame. A lot of players starting tables actually prefer there to be 2 sat at the tables (even if one is sat out) since it still encourages more players to join.


This is getting silly now. The reason for creating the thread was 2 fold, to warn other players about the playing habbits of certain regs and also to hope to try and persuade some of those players to change their ways. If it only accomplishes the former then the thread is doing it's job sufficiently.

You also can not always contact these players, I've tried on here and in chat many times usually to get the reply of "lol".

And again, i was very clear in the op, this is not just stuff that is a general annoyances. Sead the link on stars ring game rules. I really don't want to keep dragging back to silly real life examples of things that aren't illegal but are still totally retarded in a modern society and shouldn't be tolerated.

and Metski, I assume you either didn't read the OP in which case please remove you post, or you're just doing it to troll. In which case, please remove your post also. gl

while I can certainly get behind this idea I feel its going to take a very strict guideline and a heck of a lot of oversight/editing to keep this kind of thing legit.

jimbo was nothing like kravasisfiaoakal, jimbo played everybody

dignified response good sir, well done...im glad you created this contamination thread for everyone, such a good service for you to provide...lol...

You are right though there is no reason for me to be ITT bashing your Malmuth given right to post this crap...I was overcome for a moment by the realization i would never undertake such a ridiculous "grass roots" movement and raged whilst playing my session...

I will now exit this reservoir of wasted time and energy so that you and your distinguished colleagues can carry on and name those charlatans one by one. I am certain this thread will become a vital role to the completion of a poker session for generations of regulars. I do however reserve my Malmuth given right to troll this sh*t hole whilst about my daily errands through the interwebs.

good day, jolly ho

true - i guess i meant not in the sense of how good he or they are, but in the sense that they like to play fr players HU.
in kras' case, not all players.

this thread has the potential to be the most hate-filled thread on 2p2.