guys, i totally appreciate the time and effort your spending with me trying to explain something it must seem like i really don't get.
THank you all very much.
Just been flatting alot and taking flps in position;
if my opponent is super loose i might 3 bet TT for value
if i have squeesers behind me i will either fold or raise mostly
if i think my opponent can call with worse/fold better i tend to 3 bet, especially from the blinds where id be at positional disadvantage
if i think opponent makes tons of callling or betting or folding mistakes post flop i will tend to take flops and exploit.
I just got in THE HABIT of always flatting with AJs, KQs, 99, and such..wasn't sure if i was doing this too much, with too many hands. I asked if there was maybe no way to answer my question without more info. I know thats often the case, but i was just looking for some idea of whether i should "generally" be flatting with TTish/KQo, AQ, etc.
thnx

In reality i did just move up from 50NL to 100 and i was making much much more at 50NL
I am pretty good at chosing post flop lines based on my relative hand value; show down value, pure value, thin value, draw, air; and my opponents mistake propensities; calls alot, fits or folds, bets alot

I might bet bet bet top pair good kicker against a cally passive type, x the flop back against an aggro fish and let him barell his air on turn and river, x to let nit feel more comfortable with any peice, etc;

but this approach doesnt work as well for me now that my opponents are not making as many super obvious mistakes and tend to not fit as well into nice littel stereotypes.

So, against players who i might have no info on or (more often, just don't see what they are doing especially wrong post flop) I wonder if it still makes sense to flat call their LP opens with hands like KQs and AJ/99 AQ?
If i don't have a pretty good idea of the "bad things" they do post flop it seems it may be better to just 3 bet my TT for value to lock up equity vs 88/ charge A9s to try and draw out.

So, I guess this is my REAL question;
I have learned to flat call a whide and pretty strong range in position vs fish that i will be able to own post flop.
Does it make as much sense to do this against players who (on average) will be ALMOST (i am winning) as good as me?(not a lot, up less than $2/hr over 20 hours)
I know i am able to leverage my post flop advantage in position and that's HUGE, but is it enough to out weigh the cost of letting opponent drw free against a hand that's ahead of his range (KQs/99)/lock up equity with value 3 bets (AQ/JJ)?

Say a Good, winning TAG with a cbet % of 67%, fold to 3 bet of 70%, opens LP and i have 99 on the button. If i have NO USEFUL info on him (like nothing i can exploit) does that take the strength out of flatting my strong but not premium stuff in position or not?

WOULD YOU FLAT CALL YOURSELF IF YOU OPENED FROM HJ SEAT AND YOU WERE ON THE BTTN WITH 99??????
there it is; that's really all i need to know to get a grip on this.

fold them all, probably raise when its folded to you though

Maybe i'm not framing my question right?

I want to know if good players started flatting more in position MOSTLY to leverage positional advantage, or MOSTLY because they have a big post flop skill edge? I KNOW it is a combination of the two. But what hapens when we take away one of the advantages? ie; I'm not sure if i'm better than opponent and i don't really know what kinds of mistakes he's going to make post flop. I have a hand like 99/TT that's likely best now but vulnerable to overcards; i want to charge KQish to draw and I'm not gonna be super unhappy if KJ folds right? OR WRONG?

can i get a "yeah that makes sense, or a NO, WRONG?" please
Again; if you were playing someone who had your EXACT skill level.. your clone or poker Antithesis open raises HJ for 2.5X and you have 99. FLAT OR 3 BET? (MOST OF THE TIME, ALL ELSE BEING EQUAL, AS DEFAULT, AS STANDARD, iN a VAC)??

no you're not framing it wrong you're just asking pointless questions. The answers to your questions don't matter. The only thing that matters is understanding the OTHER questions that you should be asking to get the available information needed to provide a best answer for those questions. And then understanding how to apply that analytical process to all hands in all spots against all opponents.

No one is going to spend hours trying to address every close hypothetical spot you can come up with in this thread. It isn't worth our time and likely won't greatly improve your game.

Last thing I'll say, the biggest leak I see in your thought process now is that you keep suggesting that most regs don't have identifiable leaks either pre or post. Rarely is this the case. Instead of trying to figure out how to combat the perfect unknown player, why don't you focus on your information gathering at the table. You might be surprised at what you see.

Donovan,

You seem to be looking for just some general 3bet advice, no?

If there is no dynamic or history only 3bet clear value hands.

If there is history 3bet a polarized range if he folds to 3bets too much. The more he folds to 3bets the more junk you add into the bottom of your polarized range. Constant adjustment should be happening here.

If there is history and he defends to 3bets with a wider range start to chop out the bottom of the polarized range and start to create a merged value range. The more he defends the more you can merge. Once again, constant adjustment should be happening here one way or the other.


A lot of your questions/threads seem to be theory oriented post that really have no direction. My suggestion would be why don't you head on up the the theory forum in the General Poker tab and use the search function. Pretty much all of the things you have questions about have been addressed there over the years. Poke around and once you start to formulate a coherent thought process about what it is your looking for then pop back and we can have a legit conversation that isn't so misguided.

Kevin

Too much effort from ssfr community ITT. Donovan go pay for coaching if you want to get better bro. And the rest of you more levels less advice

Why kill the thread. this was some good read material....

v an unknown i want to show him wussup so I am going to 3 bet him relentlessly if he is opening from the HJ 2.5x so I will 3 bet all of those hands which is a merged range...I will also 3 bet some suited trash like T7 thus polarizing my merged range

I feel like you are focusing too much on the trees and not seeing the forest an awful lot. I get that sense through just about every post you make.

donovan, you're a taker, not a giver.