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Old 06-13-2008, 08:50 PM   #151
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Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis thread ****

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Hello all,

I started this thread time ago, and I think that I did many improvements in my game. I tell again thank you to anyone for any tips.

Now, please, may someone tell what's wrong with my new stats ?
It's still NL100 on stars and I'm still doing really bad.





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A bit too passive on the turn. Play more hands - this isn't too big of a sample. Also, prob not taking down enough pots when you see the flop.
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Old 06-14-2008, 12:02 AM   #152
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penguins, my WTSD is probably higher than 99% of 2+2 which is why im worried about my SD EV instead of All-in EV.
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Old 06-15-2008, 12:34 AM   #153
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stop looking at stats and trying to move numbers in a certain direction. Think out each play instead of worrying about "do I go to showdown enough" Results follow...Honestly I went from a marginal winner in the game to a fairly decent winner because I stopped saying to myself my "x-stat" is too high "y-stat" is too low. Really its all about personal style. Best of luck..
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Old 06-15-2008, 02:55 AM   #154
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I play each hand differently and worry little about stats. I judge other opponennts off stats. I guess i just underestimate the variance in this game, as im down another 7 bi of ai equity and god knows what from people calling down 99 on Qjj boards when i have AQ and hitting runner runner stragith in non all in pots. Thats this month alone
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Old 06-15-2008, 03:34 AM   #155
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you should just make your bets AI coordi so they know you mean business... 3 dolla pot, f' it all in, bluff..f' it, all in.
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Old 06-15-2008, 03:38 AM   #156
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There are like 2 important stats b/c they tell me what kind of player someone is.

I think looking at anything else is silly

Oh yea, the 2 stats are not VPIP/PFR
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Old 06-15-2008, 12:46 PM   #157
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OooOOoo cryptic!!!
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Old 06-16-2008, 02:04 AM   #158
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Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis thread ****

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OooOOoo cryptic!!!
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Old 06-16-2008, 08:47 AM   #159
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I play each hand differently and worry little about stats.
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I guess i just underestimate the variance in this game, as im down another 7 bi of ai equity...
WTF? You are saying that you are not worrying about stats but you are checking most pointless program (pokerEV) every single day. It's rigged. I am sure that's program is not telling the truth.

I tell you one story. Some time ago I was "stat nit" as my friend. I noticed that we both lose money in "non SD" pots and we decided to improve that. Before change we ran normal - sometimes we ran good, sometimes bad but generally in the long run the red line tracks blue line and green line was lowest. It was indicator that we lose money in non sd pots.

We started improve it - we put more effort to take down more pots; All went great. Green line was abovest line but what I saw - we both ran below expectation. We tested this style 2 months and I ran almost every single day below expectation. We both stopped using this style and switched back to normal style - and all was ok again. Green line was belowest and red/blue line tracks each other - sometimes we ran below, sometimes above expectation but in the long run we ran normal as before.

Also I have noticed that many players whose green line is highest, their blue line is below red line. Don't know - maybe they really constantly run bad but I am not sure.

Anyway I uninstalled this program because of this program I changed my working playing style into not-working **** and after this day I never-ever look my stats. It was great learning session for me. Poker - it's not stats, it's not programs - it's all about your style and adjusting. Also I heard that kelisitan, the Great 24-tabling Hero, who killing the games, never used PAHUD/tracker before. So stats are pointless, programs are pointless. Use them to see how you are doing in different situations and try rethink and try to find alternatives to play different situations. But never-ever say - I RUN BAD BECAUSE POKEREV telling or I am so unlucku and never hit set because setometer shows that; Let's say setometer shows that in last 100k hands you hit set 1:5 - you run good? No. Maybe you get coolered most of the times and other times they never payed you off. Or other guy in last 100k hands hits set 1:17 but every time they payed off. He ran bad?

Please don't use this programs do say that you run good or bad. Only bad players say they run below expectation. You can always do better - you can save one extra dollar by folding or squeezing one extra dollar by valuebetting more.

Also switching back to pokerEV - I made thread where basically I asked that's there are "possibilty" that someone run below expectation because his playing style? I think my wording was bad there and this thread dies. Thread was here.

And once I did lifetime PokerEV graphs [800k hands, If you want to do it: Filter hands what went to SD and then EXPORT them. After that reimport them into new database and then use pokerEV] and I run more than 10 buy-ins over expectation. So I am lucky one??

And coordi - you are very good player. Definitely better than me because my hand reading skill sucks. But what I have noticed - sometimes you are going too far with medium strength hands or doing too huge hero calls or trying to take down too many pots. I think this style works very well higher levels but no need do to that at NL100. It's micro level, where are tons of loose fishes without fold equity. No need to bluff or hero-call these fishes. All what you have todo - keep hammering fishes, steal small pots from nits (isolating them or steal their blinds) and sometimes playback to regs. Also if you are never-ever playback and you keep folding your hands their 3bets, then once you get your hand and you 4bet, then they start overthinking: "omg, now he plays back to me" and they shove for you with trash.
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Old 06-16-2008, 10:32 AM   #160
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I was wondering if my graph was an anomaly or what. Never seen one so off. I'm running bad because I run bad, not because of ev grapher. And I'm aware of my hero call syndrome that's why I look at program in first place to see the bigger holes. I disagree with your view of the programs usefullness but rI very much appreciate your thoughts and comments
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Old 06-16-2008, 01:09 PM   #161
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Coordi, I swear to god we can compete on who has ran worse in the past 130k hands. Ranka, in response to your answer. I have done the same thing, but I never did experience the difference in all in equity, until this past 130k hand stretch. Poker is a sick son of a B, and once you stomach that it becomes much easier to stomach stretches where you run 39 BI's below in all in equity.
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Old 06-17-2008, 12:56 AM   #162
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your AK ran pretty good vs my AA
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Old 06-17-2008, 03:22 AM   #163
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yea I whispered in its ear before I sent it out that it better bring me home your stack or I wasn't going to feed it. Pretty good motivator.
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Old 06-17-2008, 07:04 PM   #164
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whispers always work
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Old 06-21-2008, 05:52 PM   #165
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Coordi, I swear to god we can compete on who has ran worse in the past 130k hands. Ranka, in response to your answer. I have done the same thing, but I never did experience the difference in all in equity, until this past 130k hand stretch. Poker is a sick son of a B, and once you stomach that it becomes much easier to stomach stretches where you run 39 BI's below in all in equity.
garph plz
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Old 06-21-2008, 06:01 PM   #166
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I will have to post multiple pics of the all in equity screen shot b/c I make a new database every month for tax reasons. but I can post later if desired.
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Old 06-21-2008, 06:56 PM   #167
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I will have to post multiple pics of the all in equity screen shot b/c I make a new database every month for tax reasons. but I can post later if desired.
yes plz

also, you pay taxes playing .5/1? wtf
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Old 06-22-2008, 02:51 AM   #168
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why wouldn't I pay taxes on what I win? Seems incredibly short sighted to not pay taxes on income and get bustoed by the IRS for something so ridiculously retarded as tax evasion. As a CPA, I'd be flat out insane not to also.
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Old 06-24-2008, 11:54 AM   #169
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I have been spending some time lately thinking about my preflop range and doing some adjustments, used to play like a TRUE NIT, 11/8, now few sessions like 16/14 and after having been card dead today, I am 14/12.1.

By position
SB 12.4/8.7
BB 11/6.7
EP 7.9/7.4
MP 13.6/12.9
CO 26.8/24.8
BTN 20/17.6

So it's a work in progress but what I actually haven't thought before is that although you should get looser the closer you get to the button and your range gets wider, BY THE TIME it gets to you on the button you have to fold many hands because the pot might be raised (or re-raised) by the time it's your turn. So you don't get to utilize your whole range. So unless you start cold-calling or 3betting more, you end up slightly tighter on the button DE FACTO than in the CO, even though on paper the range is wider.

Am I thinking about this wrong? Should I be even more looser on the button than I am to off-set this effect? Should I start 3banging on the button willy-nilly?

Any thoughts?

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Old 06-26-2008, 02:08 PM   #170
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Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis thread ****

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There are like 2 important stats b/c they tell me what kind of player someone is.

I think looking at anything else is silly

Oh yea, the 2 stats are not VPIP/PFR
whichh areee? the suspense is killin me
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Old 06-27-2008, 01:41 AM   #171
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is it went to showdown and W$SD
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Old 06-27-2008, 06:26 AM   #172
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is it went to showdown and W$SD
Too long shot stats to regognize fish. Also W$SD is pointless stat I think.

I think you cant use two stats to define who is your villain.

I think main stats are: VPIP, PFR, AF, W$WSF, WTSD, ASB. To define who is your villain and always rememeber - postflop and preflop are different worlds. I have seen 38/18/3 "fishes" who are extremely nits postflop and vice versa.
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Old 06-27-2008, 06:56 AM   #173
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the gap between VPIP-PFR

where VPIP x AF < 30
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Old 06-27-2008, 02:20 PM   #174
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I think the 2 best stats are ATS and blind defense. You can figure out if they are positionally aware and thats an important thing to know.
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Old 06-27-2008, 06:13 PM   #175
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i havnt used stats in a couple months
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