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04-05-2011 , 09:57 AM
Hi all,

I just joint this verry good forum and get a lot of good information. Perhaps i can get some feedback for my late pokergame.

i played 100k hands at NL25 (25k), NL50 (65k) and NL100 (10k) FR and i run about breakeven. I just had a pretty good run at NL100 so my graph became a little better.

I tought my stats are pretty oke (comparing to the posts of mpethpoker). Only my button and CO are verry low i think. Can anyone please revieuw my stats and give me some advice? Perhaps i need some coatching here and there.

The last 10k hands i started to play more aggressive. I hope anyone can help me improving my game. Sorry for my english....






04-05-2011 , 11:09 AM
lebowski

1. You don't have a large enough gradient from utg to button...18/11 on the button and 16/12 on the cutoff are both much too tight. You can definitely stand to raise more often and take some of that free money!

2. I think you're calling way too often from the blinds, fold a lot more often, or 3bet more often, or both but you're playing too many weak hands oop without initiative.

3. Yea, looking at your other pic your steal is 22%, this is ridiculously low..get this over 30% and you can even get around 40% and you.

4. Your fold to 3bet MIGHT be too high or not...81% is ridiculous high on HEM but I'm not sure about how it translates to the different pt3 stat...you would have to speak to someone who uses pt3 about that
04-05-2011 , 11:18 PM
81% on PT3 actually indicates he might be calling too many 3 bets. Lebowski, you need to go to the filters/facing/called 3 bet filter and look to see how your results are. It looks like you could have a problem there.

As SA16 noted, your button win rate is really low, so you have some problems there. Calling 3 bets may be one of them, but you need to check your steals and your cold calls, too. He's right, in theory, that you need to steal more from late position, but if you are not making .5ptbb/hand or so with your current stealing range, you probably need to work on your hand reading skills before opening up your stealing range.
04-06-2011 , 04:03 AM
What are normal breakdowns for showdown/non-showdown winnings from the SB and BB? Of someone that wins good rates like -15/-30 type rates?
04-06-2011 , 04:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AceofSpades
What are normal breakdowns for showdown/non-showdown winnings from the SB and BB? Of someone that wins good rates like -15/-30 type rates?
also how tight is too tight out of the blinds? is there kind of a baseline "conservative range" that doesn't give up too much in ev?
04-08-2011 , 04:58 PM
I'm also interested in WTSD% WWSF% and W$atSD numbers from the blinds...
04-10-2011 , 09:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AceofSpades
I'm also interested in WTSD% WWSF% and W$atSD numbers from the blinds...
over last 210k hands:

SB - 43.8% w$wsf, 24.8% wtsd, 60.2% w$sd, 19.9/14.2, -14bb/100
BB - 31.9% w$wsf, 22.4% wtsd, 58.9% w$sd, 11.6/5.6, -36bb/100
04-12-2011 , 01:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SA16
lebowski


4. Your fold to 3bet MIGHT be too high or not...81% is ridiculous high on HEM but I'm not sure about how it translates to the different pt3 stat...you would have to speak to someone who uses pt3 about that
I recently had a database analysis session with mpethy (which i can recommend btw), and we touched on this subject.

In PT3 the fold to 3bet stat seems to include all the times you are sitting there having taken no action yet, and there is a raise and a reraise in front of you. It is unsurprising you are going to be folding a lot in that spot, which skews the PT3 stat to the high side, and makes the stat almost meaningless in practical terms when you want to know how someone reacts when their raise is 3bet.

To get round this I created my own stats, which measures folds/calls/4bets only when the player in question is the opener. i also divided the stats into 1; opens from steal position and 2; opens from anywhere else

From my own database over the last 114000 hands, my PT3 'fold to 3bet' of 76% translates to ;
fold to 3b when opened from a steal position; 49.7%
fold to 3b when opened from a non steal position; 35.5%
(i didnt say these stats were good, just what they are)

for everyone in my db with >=1000 hands, the stats average;
PT3 'fold to 3bet''; 79.7%
fold to 3b when opened from a steal position; 59.1%%
fold to 3b when opened from a non steal position; 47.7%

conclusion; i should def fold more

Last edited by village kid; 04-12-2011 at 01:19 AM. Reason: just tidying it up a bit if thats ok
04-12-2011 , 06:14 PM
This is a great thread alot of good stuff from Methy and others, but I would suggest to some of you instead of posting and asking what am I doing wrong dig through hem on your own. I wish I could track the amount of hours I spent in hem, and also joining sites and watching hem vids. You will get much more out of it by digging through yourself then maybe find a coach to help with some things you cant figure out.

Methy is it possible to go into more detail on btn leak when you do see the flop and your winrate drops or as mine does falls off a cliff. I would assume alot would be bluffing to often post when your always repping such a wide range on the btn because I have around 40% btn steal. It could be a sample size issue of only 80k hands since I've retooled my game bigtime. Any help appreciated
04-14-2011 , 12:38 PM






what am i doing wrong? NL100 FR rush, last 5 months. thx
04-14-2011 , 12:57 PM
seem to be doing fine other than running bad?
04-14-2011 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by SA16
seem to be doing fine other than running bad?
well imo 70k hands is no samplesize. and im feeling like i have massive leaks
04-14-2011 , 01:46 PM
True enough...your popup numbers look pretty good though...try posting more in depth positional stuff or something...but from your graph/popup/and some hands i've seen that you posted it seems like you have the right idea
04-29-2011 , 01:01 AM
Been a losing player spread out between 25nl, 50nl, and 35k hands at 100nl. what are some of my leaks that you can see. i know of 2 problems my 3b and aggression is low. any help would be great.




also notice my bb/100 in all postions are low(not winning enough) I think my blind play is some what decent for a losing player.
04-29-2011 , 01:23 AM
hi,
be happy 2 hear ur thoughts guys.
all hands are 100NL, 97-8% FR, rest HU.






AFq 3Bet Fold 3B Att To Steal Fold BB to Steal Fold SB to Steal
53.97 9.05 73.26 50.14 72.35 78.46

VP$IP PFR W$WSF WTSD W$SD AF
19.21 17.09 49.05 29.14 48.88 2.93

as u can see im playing realt aggresive, thats the way i like it too much stealing? to much 3 betting? b happt 2 hear ur thoughts
04-30-2011 , 05:12 AM
your fold to river raise seems absurdly low. i would be interested to know your sn since im shocked anybody playing 100nl FR on merge produced that graph. maybe fullmoon?
04-30-2011 , 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by RAW_FORCE
your fold to river raise seems absurdly low. i would be interested to know your sn since im shocked anybody playing 100nl FR on merge produced that graph. maybe fullmoon?
beside river raise, u think evrything seems ok?
why r u shocked with this graph man? whats wrong with him?
and what is full moon, like a very good run?
05-28-2011 , 02:26 PM
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06-23-2011 , 06:55 PM
When I filter for "Any River Call" I am -3.58BB/100 loser per hand.

Is it normal to be losing in this situation or is it a big leak and I am too big of a station? My WTSD is around 26/27 and my VPIP is around 14

Below is how much I lose per hand strength. Taken from 95k hands sample from rush nl50/nl100


Last edited by marcin82; 06-23-2011 at 07:08 PM.
06-23-2011 , 07:07 PM
i might be wrong, but i think river calls are supposed to be losing, but you get pot odds to make up for it.
06-23-2011 , 07:30 PM
Quote:
I might be wrong
Nooooooo!! Impossible!!!!
06-23-2011 , 07:42 PM
what is an ideal winrate from the small blind in unopened pots? i asked in micro forum but didn't really get a response
06-24-2011 , 09:55 AM
Wow can't believe I only just found this thread!? Really great stuff in here and definitely something I should be working more on. Pretty disappointed with my last 200hrs play if anyone can offer insight please go ahead. Haven't looked at my winnings by position in a while and when I did I'm very surprised. Obviously the biggest thing that jumps out is how little I make from the BTN in this sample. The last time I looked at these filters I'm sure it was something like 35bb/100 so I'm not sure what's gone wrong recently??? Also BB losses seem pretty bad, I should be aiming for something like -35bb/100 right?



Thanks in advance to anyone who contributes and for those who play in my games please don't exploit me

edit: If there's another page in HEM that might help uncover why my BTN wr is so atrocious please let me know and I'll post it.
06-24-2011 , 03:58 PM
Choice,

BB losses are very high. 40-45 is decent. BTN winnings are so low, have you tightened up steals on the button and started calling wider IP, then spewing post?

You've been playing for long enough, stats aren't really going to tell you much tho.

I'd be willing to bet there's a lot of spew/tilt in that sample.

      
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