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Old 08-23-2010, 06:13 PM   #676
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Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis thread ****

unless you suck balls in 3bet pots then having such a low fold to 3bet should deter people from 3bet bluffing you too much.

also a 5 point gap between vpip and pfr is perfectly fine as long as you know what you are doing when the flop comes down. plenty of very successful small stakes players have a gap that wide or larger
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Old 09-01-2010, 11:20 AM   #677
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I was wondering if someone could give me a quick piece of advise
I have a 10K sample of Fullring. One sample from stars in which i am winning and one sample from fulltilt which i am losing. Thanks for the help

Stars Fulltilt

VPIP 15.74 18.67
AF 2.13 2.02
CC 9.95 11.39
Cbet 67 64
PFR 8.72 8.79
AFQ 47 45
3bet 2.42 2.00
wtsd 30.57 27.65
W$SD 54.44 52.69
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Old 09-11-2010, 12:40 AM   #678
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Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis thread ****

Hi guys, I have been playing 100nl for a while now... And through out this sample size of 100k~ hands I have noticed I have multiple 8+ buy in down swings. I also found myself "folding" a little too much at some spots... As you guys can see my red line goes down at a pretty steep angle..... Maybe you guys can help me look over my stats and possibly tell me what I can do better on ? Thanks guys.
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Old 09-11-2010, 02:48 AM   #679
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Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis thread ****

Hey guys, would like to hear some advice/suggestions regarding my last 90k hands or so (I know, this should be like 1-2 months worth but I'm just beginning to be a decent grinder, argh).



My position stats,

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Overall winrates



Showdown winnings (I think my showdown winnings are way too high?)

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Old 09-12-2010, 06:06 AM   #680
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Hilarious. I'm assuming you are trying to brag here. What a problem to have, when your showdown winnings are way too high? LOL.

Seriously though, it doesn't really matter if you have a decent winrate. Your WWSF is very low but that looks like a consequence of your blind play, by completing and then giving up, which seems to be working alright actually since your blind wr and overall wr is decent. More than 2ptbb is not too shabby.

If you are going to move up to 200 it may be a good idea to get your Non-sd winnings to something respectable, but who knows, since people there make big mistakes too. I honestly don't know because I have very similar position stats to yours except for your SB VPIP, but a much different post flop game where my non-sd winnings are positive, but my showdown winnings are not as high. I would just stick to what you are doing and keep learning the game.
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Old 09-12-2010, 12:50 PM   #681
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Hilarious. I'm assuming you are trying to brag here. What a problem to have, when your showdown winnings are way too high? LOL.

Seriously though, it doesn't really matter if you have a decent winrate. Your WWSF is very low but that looks like a consequence of your blind play, by completing and then giving up, which seems to be working alright actually since your blind wr and overall wr is decent. More than 2ptbb is not too shabby.

If you are going to move up to 200 it may be a good idea to get your Non-sd winnings to something respectable, but who knows, since people there make big mistakes too. I honestly don't know because I have very similar position stats to yours except for your SB VPIP, but a much different post flop game where my non-sd winnings are positive, but my showdown winnings are not as high. I would just stick to what you are doing and keep learning the game.
Not meant to be a brag, I'm a total stats n00b, I don't even use HUD while playing because it's a hassle getting it to work (I play on Carbon, and the HUD displays don't match up accurately on each table).

When I'm completing SB, it's always limpers in back of me, I'm never open-completing it. Probably should start folding more weak Aces and SCs. What should my WWSF and non-showdown winnings look like for FR? Also, damn, in the black for non-SD FR? I thought that was impossible. 6m I can understand but people don't like folding 9-handed.
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Old 09-17-2010, 02:23 AM   #682
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Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis thread ****

Hey guys I just had a pretty rough break even stretch at 200 Rush. This is over 10k hands. Before this (abt 30k hands), I was winning at a decent clip but had a few tilty sessions methinks and am looking for coaching as well .




The BB loss stat includes set over set, QQ<KK, AQs<QQ (all in vs btn for 160bb), and set<turned straight. These pots add up to about 1k or so if it makes a difference in stats.

Thanks for any help.
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Old 09-17-2010, 01:57 PM   #683
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Hey guys I just had a pretty rough break even stretch at 200 Rush. This is over 10k hands. Before this (abt 30k hands), I was winning at a decent clip but had a few tilty sessions methinks and am looking for coaching as well .




The BB loss stat includes set over set, QQ<KK, AQs<QQ (all in vs btn for 160bb), and set<turned straight. These pots add up to about 1k or so if it makes a difference in stats.

Thanks for any help.
Your button strategy seems to be failing you. And what is up with that LOL sample size?

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Old 09-17-2010, 08:52 PM   #684
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Your button strategy seems to be failing you. And what is up with that LOL sample size?
I only play Rush to get 200 pts a day :P. I've been doing it for the past four months or so so I don't build much of a sample.
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Old 09-30-2010, 05:41 AM   #685
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Hit a bad stretch on NL100 FR on stars. Had my first 18 buyin downswing . Play 20 tables typically. Can anyone help me read into these stats please?
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Old 10-01-2010, 06:43 PM   #686
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Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis thread ****

Theoretically; Folding 100% of SBs and BBs leads to the following "win-rates"
SB: -50bb/100
BB: -100bb/100

DUCY? Am I right?


My current actual rates are...
-33.2bb/100
-49.6bb/100
This is my biggest leak.

What is the best resource you reg's out there know of to improve this part of my game? I need to do some work on this.
Thank you.
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Old 10-01-2010, 06:51 PM   #687
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Old 10-07-2010, 04:14 AM   #688
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Not meant to be a brag, I'm a total stats n00b, I don't even use HUD while playing because it's a hassle getting it to work (I play on Carbon, and the HUD displays don't match up accurately on each table).

When I'm completing SB, it's always limpers in back of me, I'm never open-completing it. Probably should start folding more weak Aces and SCs. What should my WWSF and non-showdown winnings look like for FR? Also, damn, in the black for non-SD FR? I thought that was impossible. 6m I can understand but people don't like folding 9-handed.
Also in the MiniView with fixed seat? That works perfectly fine
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Old 10-14-2010, 04:37 AM   #689
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Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis thread ****

Hi Stats people,

2 stats I've never paid any attention to are WtSD and W$SD. Can someone tell me briefly for 6max what is:

1. Generally consider middle of the road? (i.e. what #'s we'd expect from a standard 24/20 tag?)
2. What numbers indicate you're on a heater (I think if WtSD is >30 and W$SD is >45 at the same sample).
3. Any other important considerations with these 2 stats? Like how do we change our interpretation of them when vpip is huge >35, and when it is really small <18?
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Old 10-14-2010, 05:12 AM   #690
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Hi Stats people,

2 stats I've never paid any attention to are WtSD and W$SD. Can someone tell me briefly for 6max what is:

1. Generally consider middle of the road? (i.e. what #'s we'd expect from a standard 24/20 tag?)
2. What numbers indicate you're on a heater (I think if WtSD is >30 and W$SD is >45 at the same sample).
3. Any other important considerations with these 2 stats? Like how do we change our interpretation of them when vpip is huge >35, and when it is really small <18?
these stats are completely dependent on your style of play, regardless of vpip/pfr

I'm 20/15ish at 6-max/fr combined and I have 26% wtsd 56% w$sd over 1mm hands, but you could have the same vpip/pfr and be nowhere near that
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Old 10-18-2010, 09:21 PM   #691
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Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis thread ****

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and it's not an insult cause i know ur good i just am constantly stunned when i see ppl running tight as hell at 6max and winning a bunch... like LSP and NotOnTilt are 2 of the nittiest 6max players ive seen in 6max and they kill it, it blows my mind who's paying them off
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Old 10-18-2010, 11:28 PM   #692
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and it's not an insult cause i know ur good i just am constantly stunned when i see ppl running tight as hell at 6max and winning a bunch... like LSP and NotOnTilt are 2 of the nittiest 6max players ive seen in 6max and they kill it, it blows my mind who's paying them off
well the 20/15 is combined with my FR stats, so it's obv looser than that at 6-max, and if you're referring to the w$sd%, I don't know that's indicative of a 'nit' when you are getting to showdown a lot as well. Nits generally don't wtsd 26% ime
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Old 10-19-2010, 08:31 PM   #693
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well the 20/15 is combined with my FR stats, so it's obv looser than that at 6-max, and if you're referring to the w$sd%, I don't know that's indicative of a 'nit' when you are getting to showdown a lot as well. Nits generally don't wtsd 26% ime
Hes talking about the 20/15, and I dont think he realized it was a mix of FR and 6 max. I wish there was a way for HEM to distinguish between 6max tables and FR, other than just saying >6 players or whatever, bc then it includes short FR tables
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Old 11-08-2010, 04:44 PM   #694
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Hi there,

Was advised to stick my graph in this thread, fairly new so go easy...........

Basically Im playing like a complete NIT - 11/9/3 and its always worked fine in the past, but the winrate has come right down and I feel its time to revamp my game.

Looking at this graph for my last 60k hands, what is the obvious standout (red line prob) and what steps should I be taking to try to improve my winrate?

Regards.......

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Old 11-10-2010, 04:16 AM   #695
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Can I attribute this **** to variance? After the ~4k DS, I started examining my game, playing less tables and clearly stopped playing 1/2. I feel like since then my game has improved a lot but I'm still struggling. I also know I can get that !@#@$@! redline to be BE but it seems after 3-7k hands where I keep it BE I have a stretch where it just plummets and there's nothing I can do.

Posted stats but they're probably not super accurate since I've been fiddling with my game, but maybe if someone sees some glaring leaks in there...





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Old 11-10-2010, 06:34 AM   #696
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at a glance I'd say you c-bet too much, don't barrel turn enough, don't steal wide enough, don't defend blinds very well, and for only getting to sd 22%/being TAG I'd expect w$sd to be much higher than 51%...for example, my wtsd is 27% and w$sd is 56%

Just glanced at your stats though, so take it with a grain of salt, gl.
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Old 11-10-2010, 01:59 PM   #697
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steal/wwsf are too low, cbet numbers are off, and you probably coldcall too much
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Old 11-10-2010, 03:50 PM   #698
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thanks guys! now I don't know how much last month's play skewed those stats, throughout a decent part of the 80k hands from october I ran like dog **** in all possible ways, had a 10k stretch where I played 15/12 (down from my usual 17/13) just b/c i was card dead pre, a ton of bad barrell cards on turns, etc.
I've also been tweaking my play this month so here are the stats for the hands I've played so far in november with added agg numbers:




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Old 11-12-2010, 07:27 AM   #699
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Help with my stats ranges

Hi

Can someone please help me find a chart or article(rather watch chart),

Helping me compare my stats(VPIP,PFR ETC..) to optimal ranges.

I would like to see it in 6 max and full ring(Will be happy to see some hu optimal ranges as well).

Thanks in advance guys
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Old 11-12-2010, 10:01 AM   #700
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Hi

I've never posted here or given anything useful to this community, but can you guys help me make my game more optimal so I can take money from the games you're all trying to beat. I'm too lazy to find it myself.

Thanks in advance guys
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