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01-16-2010 , 05:37 AM
I am new to poker tracker and two plus two. I was wondering what you all see in my stats? Where do I need to improve? Also what I should have on my HUD? Please help. Thanks.


I am having trouble uploading my other information so here it is:

Limit VP$IP PFR W$WSF WTSD W$SD AF AFq 3Bet Fold3Bet
$2 14.38 10.74 44.28 27.13 50.53 2.51 47.70 4.81 77.44

Att toSteal Fold BBtoSteal FoldSBtoSteal CBetF Fold F CB
37.01 72.13 82.98 66.08 47.14

Limit Hands HandsWon Sessions SessionsWon Hours AmountWon BB/100
$2 35,051 4,042 618 310 11.53 $4,152.10 2.96

$/100 BB/Hour $/Hour Rake MGR
$11.85 9.31 $37.23 $2,505.65 $2,779.20
01-23-2010 , 08:26 PM
Anyone have a good idea or general rule on what WTSD & W$SD numbers should be? I know it depends on the type of player you are. Thanks for any help you can provide.
01-31-2010 , 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Buckner86
Anyone have a good idea or general rule on what WTSD & W$SD numbers should be? I know it depends on the type of player you are. Thanks for any help you can provide.
W$SD should be near 50% i believe if it is alot higher it means your folding too many winners and if its lower your calling too light. someone confirm, wtsd i think mine is like

my wtsd is 24 and wsd 53.8 over 200K hands from 10NL to 200NL . my collective win rate is 3BB so somewhere near those numbers is good i believe
01-31-2010 , 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Propping Fool
What is a standard / good fold to 4bet % for NL200 fr ??
hard to answer, depends on your 3bet/ opening tendencies and such.
02-05-2010 , 12:52 PM






Help?
02-06-2010 , 04:18 AM
your stdev is pretty good
02-06-2010 , 08:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jah Onion
your stdev is pretty good
= consistant loser?
02-06-2010 , 07:56 PM
The standard deviation is a measure of how widely values are dispersed from the average value (the mean).


Your stats look correct to me (I'm not an expert). 20k hands isn't an accurate sample, you could just be running bad.

I would suggest you to keep playing and posting hands of situations you got trouble with. Hopefully you will be back in the green after your next 20k hands
02-07-2010 , 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by slatur
graph

stats

position


thoughts?
bump
02-07-2010 , 08:55 PM
you play way to tight from late position, and way way way to loose out of the small blind.

you cbet pretty much - but you don't second barrel that much (compared to your cbet %)
-> floating you is going to be nice

you are also v aggresiv (tho it seems to much on the flop/not enough on later streets)

and with your aggresion/tightness pre you got a low W$WSF, you prolly get owned @ turn/river
02-10-2010 , 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by vitti
you play way to tight from late position, and way way way to loose out of the small blind.

you cbet pretty much - but you don't second barrel that much (compared to your cbet %)
-> floating you is going to be nice

you are also v aggresiv (tho it seems to much on the flop/not enough on later streets)

and with your aggresion/tightness pre you got a low W$WSF, you prolly get owned @ turn/river
thank you
02-12-2010 , 02:35 AM
I am playing 16 tables @ a time and used to beat NL100 at FullTiltPoker at 1,5ptbb...





02-12-2010 , 08:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chapeau91
I am playing 16 tables @ a time and used to beat NL100 at FullTiltPoker at 1,5ptbb...





pretty much:

Quote:
Originally Posted by vitti
you play way to tight from late position, and way way way to loose out of the small blind.

you cbet pretty much - but you don't second barrel that much (compared to your cbet %)
-> floating you is going to be nice

you are also v aggresiv (tho it seems to much on the flop/not enough on later streets)

and with your aggresion/tightness pre you got a low W$WSF, you prolly get owned @ turn/river


look @ your btn vpip - and look at your sb vpip.

learn position, there is a reason why position is important, learn that reason - and your success will come
02-12-2010 , 08:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by vitti
you play way to tight from late position, and way way way to loose out of the small blind.

you cbet pretty much - but you don't second barrel that much (compared to your cbet %)
-> floating you is going to be nice

you are also v aggresiv (tho it seems to much on the flop/not enough on later streets)

and with your aggresion/tightness pre you got a low W$WSF, you prolly get owned @ turn/river
So i really need a workshop on 2nd barrelling... When why and how?
02-12-2010 , 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by chapeau91
So i really need a workshop on 2nd barrelling... When why and how?
when: when your range liks the card - and your villian doesn't. OR - when villian will fold to 3barrels

why: $$$$$ AND otherwise you get owned

how: There is a bet button - use it
02-12-2010 , 08:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by vitti
when: when your range liks the card - and your villian doesn't. OR - when villian will fold to 3barrels

why: $$$$$ AND otherwise you get owned

how: There is a bet button - use it
I often run into situations in that i just get called down, loosing nearly 1/2 stack on a pure bluff... SUCKS!

A few hand examples would be awesome, what stats are important?
I somehow only use VPIP PFR and 3bet% so far
02-12-2010 , 08:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chapeau91
I often run into situations in that i just get called down, loosing nearly 1/2 stack on a pure bluff... SUCKS!

A few hand examples would be awesome, what stats are important?
I somehow only use VPIP PFR and 3bet% so far
make a thread bout it/use the search function (don't wanna spam this thread, sorry =) )

btw: don't bluff calling stations
important stats: went to showdown (if someone goes 50% to showdown -> never bluff - if someone goes to showdown 10% -> always bluff) af + agg%

but the most important part is your history w villian - and the hand/board itself
02-12-2010 , 08:43 AM
i love ur profilepicture btw
02-13-2010 , 11:07 PM
hey all,

I've been playing ssfr for a pretty long time now and I've been a breakeven player for about the whole time. Can anyone look at my stats and help me find leaks I could fix? I think I have pretty huge problems with tilt and consistency, but I know I definitely have stat leaks as well. I think I definitely lose too much money from the blinds, if nothing else.



02-18-2010 , 01:46 PM
Help, is there some major leak(s) in these stats that I'm just not seeing? I've been backward and forwards over my game and had winning $10/20 reg sweat me loads (he says I'm solid). I'm just getting destroyed though - my opponents simply always have my beat at showdown. My W$SD seems very low for a predominately TAG style of poker. Am I going to showdown too often for my style? I feel like all I ever do is make massive fold after massive fold and when I don't, they have it.


02-18-2010 , 09:46 PM
One of your numbers is out of line. Ask yourself, if these were the stats of an opponent, what would I do?
02-19-2010 , 01:06 PM
Averick:

You have some fundamental flaws:

1. Small Blind Play: Your stats in the small blind are pretty bad. You'r playing 37/11. If you saw a 37/11 at your table, you'd be pretty excited, right? You're playing way too many hands out of position here.

You need to stop completing any two cards, and you need to call way fewer raises. Try to get your stats to solid LAg?TAg stats from the small blind--18/14, to 15/12, something like that. Remember that the SB is a stealing position, and get your PFR up (and your VPIP down).

2. Big Blind play. Basically the same thing. Your loss rate is way too high. You need to call fewer raises.

To work on fixing these leaks, go to the filters page and play around with your range. Filter for did cold call = true, and then run groups of hole cards. Are you cold calling out of the blinds with 22-77? If so, are you losing money? If you are profitable overall with these hands, filter to see your results against late position raisers. Repeat this process for logical groups of hands--high suited connectors and one gappers together, then low SCs and S1G. Do ragged suited aces as a group. Every time you see a group of hands where your loss rate is higher than if you had just folded, you have found aleak.

Repeat this entire process for your completions from the small blind.

3. Preflop aggression: You have a pretty significant tendency to make passive plays preflop. Your VPIP/PFR are 19/10 overall. Make sure that you are entering at least 2/3 of pots as the aggressor. To do this, isolate limpers with a wide range rather than limping behind all the time. Make sure you are raising first in. A lot of this problem will fix itself as you work on tightening up your extremely loose passive blind stats, but you want to make sure you have a solidly aggressive game from all positions.

4. Your WTSD is low and your W$SD is below 50%. This indicates that you have a leak in showing down too many second best hands. You may be calling too many river bets. Your WTSD is so low most likely because you are seeing so many flops from the blinds. Then, probably what is happening is that you are taking a lot of these hands to cheap showdowns, and losing a lot of them. For example, I note that on your position page, both of your blind W$SD%s are below 50%. Bottom line: you are taking too many trash hands to showdown from the blinds.

This is also a problem for you on the button. This is 99% certain to be hands where your steals get called. Make sure that you don't get married to your low showdown value hands--you have to fold some of them.
02-19-2010 , 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by DoubleFly
One of your numbers is out of line. Ask yourself, if these were the stats of an opponent, what would I do?
DF, I like you man. But I'm 28bi in the hole running the worst way possible in every kind of way to run bad (coolers, stuff not working, AIEV, getting action when I hit.....everything).

Please don't be kryptic and just tell me what you see

Flop cbet and fold to 3bet are both a little high. However, they are not exploited well at sub-NL400. Kush, for example, had 85% flop cbet over a massive sample of nl200 when he crushed it for 4BB/100 for over a year. Ironically, his fold to 3bet is also the same as mine over that sample.

Personally I think the biggest leaks are fold to flop cbet and fold to turn cbet. There is a reason why they are lower than other regs but I can't say without giving away a major component of my game (no its not floating or any 'play' like that). However, I have worked on giving players way more credit and folding to cbets and turn cbets more frequently.
02-19-2010 , 02:21 PM
Ace, can you post your stats a little bigger? I can't read them for some reason.

also, do your position page
02-19-2010 , 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Acevader
Flop cbet and fold to 3bet are both a little high. However, they are not exploited well at sub-NL400. Kush, for example, had 85% flop cbet over a massive sample of nl200 when he crushed it for 4BB/100 for over a year. Ironically, his fold to 3bet is also the same as mine over that sample.
Who is Kush?

Anyway you're basically flat over 60K hands. Good grinders can have breakevens of 100+K hands. So it's completely plausible nothing's wrong.

I was thinking your cbet was too high in this environment. People are contesting a lot more pots. My cbet is like 60% and I feel like I get played back at or floated a decent amount. I can't imagine what that would be like if I tacked on another 20% of my crap hands on top of it. There are definitely good regs that can work with an 80+% cbet, but if you're struggling, I think it's good to get back to basics and work from there.

Also, people are 3 betting more than ever, so that seems a touch too high too, but not as bad as the cbet.

      
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