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08-07-2014 , 06:08 AM

Harry Hill

enthusiast

Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 50

In general are good players isolating with the range they would normally open with?

08-07-2014 , 09:56 AM

TonnaMunz

Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,759

in answer to the very generalized question, yes and they will open a even wider range to play more hands with the weaker player, the value of the PF hands has gone up now with the prospects of getting in the hand with the weaker player.

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08-07-2014 , 02:46 PM

TennePenne

journeyman

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 213

Impossible question to answer really. Your best bet is to post examples of specific spots and ask what is optimal. That way you can see other's logic and learn how to figure it out based on a specific situation.

08-08-2014 , 08:19 AM

Doofus Krondelly

Ken Ham

Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 975

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Originally Posted by TonnaMunz

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For me it's the opposite since now someone else is contesting you for the pot and your chance of stealing the blinds now is basically 0%, so you should tighten up and open less hands once someone has limped in.

If a fish limps in and he only has 30bb's behind, then I open fold a hand like 33 or 54s, even though I might raise those hands from that same seat when no one else in front has put any money in.

I could be wrong though and leaving money on the table, but in general it just feels right to fold these kinds of hands in this spot.

08-08-2014 , 08:07 PM

navs

centurion

Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 149

I think before you can get even a general answer you need to know:

• the characteristics of the limper (ie: limp fold, limp raise, limp call & fit n fold the flop etc)

• quality of the players in the blinds (how wide & aggressive they defend)

08-08-2014 , 10:54 PM

valee

adept

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 850

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Originally Posted by Doofus Krondelly

You want to start an argument but this trolling is less subtle than usual, nobody will bother this time. You're basically saying we should fold more pre-flop when a fish is the hand.

08-09-2014 , 07:58 AM

Andyfothershops

old hand

Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,283

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Originally Posted by Doofus Krondelly

I just can't believe you wrote this.

It's fewer hands.

08-18-2014 , 01:40 PM

Renton555

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 5,905

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Originally Posted by valee

You want to start an argument but this trolling is less subtle than usual, nobody will bother this time. You're basically saying we should fold more pre-flop when a fish is the hand.

You should. The bottom hands of your open raising range depend on fold equity to break even. The donk complicates this, and also stimulates action. Your iso will more often get flatted in position by a reg, or 3-bet from the blinds. In some cases the donk is so bad that there's no gap, most donks (say a 30/8 donk as opposed to a 72/0 donk) aren't bad enough and there will be a small gap.

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