This is a total ripoff from Kiwi in the MSNL thread, but I think it's a great idea -- btw, his opening up many 50BB tables at a time seems to be working: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/11...thread-389119/

Here's the quote starting the above thread:

"You just joined 20 tables , u think ur gonna have a nice grinding session? But no, 5 minutes later you realize you got 6 shortstack on every tables.

Its time we stand up and pwn the shortstacks by creating many 50bb min tables , and thats good vs fish too since they cant buyin short.

I will join many 50bb tables and you guys should join up with me and sitout until the tables are running.

If every reg do like me and start only 50bb tables , in a few days there will be more 50bb tables than normal ones."

No offense but maybe you should try spending your time getting better at poker rather than bitching about your 20BB bad beat vs. a shortie who shoved his pocket 7s against your KK and caught a 7 on the river.

After all we know how much compiling data on shortstackers has helped WCG|rider's game...

^Please don't waste your time responding to this post.


Its worth a try. 50bb tables seem to be a lot less fishy but I suppose its mostly because its only regs who love to get away from shorties. If they became the norm then fish would probably join them just as readily as the normal tables

WCG|Rider is one of the best full ring players in the game right now, so I think it helped him a little. Not trying to be a fanboy or anything, but trying to demean his game when you're just some random is not fair.

I guess you have a point I was being a bit harsh. All that time datamining shortstackers is really paying off.

I approve 100% this idea and its starting to work at NL400-600 with more 50BB tables than before.

I think it will be harder at NL200 but its worth a try and might work in the long run.

the problem i have is it seems that more regs join the 50bb min tables and more of the fish go the the regular tables i start up. I'm willing to give it a shot though.

I'm really suprised to see this.......I would never have thought WCG was a losing player. And this guy is a mod/respected player?

Good point, I should have thought about that, sorry.

I don't remember bitching about it, but another fine point, sir.

Setting aside your very constructive comments, you should consider that it might be a good idea to have more worse players at your table with more money at risk, thus making 50bb tables a better deal. But enough of that, I need to go spend more time getting better at poker.

Darn, saw this too late.

I went through 2 weeks last month starting up 50bb tables everytime I played a session at 100nl. Some regs sit in and play letting the table fill up which is cool but a lot of the time they just leave/won't sit in with other regs.

If you don't want to play short handed then just sit out until the table is 6+ or W/E pls.

i did this for a short while. the method was actually effective in starting up 50bb tables at 1/2 but the problem is that the player pool is much larger at 1/2 than 2/4 or 3/6 so you need more than one reg doing it for the impact to be noticeable.

sigh why cant all the midstakes regs just threaten to leave pstars for fulltilt unless they make every table 50bb min. That would have to work... if only fulltilt didnt suck so much.

First off, Im all for less shortstackers. I just think some of you superstars are forgetting something very important.

SOME OF SUCK PLAYING HEADS UP POKER!!

I mean, yea, if a fish sits down and buys for 60BB I can still play 15 tables FR and one HU or three handed but stick me a table with a reg HU or three way and I feel like I cant pay enough attention and that I end up getting owned. This comes from someone who starts a ton of 50BB tables at 100NL.

A couple of things. First, you generally don't end up playing HU for very long. Second, I find that it's a good way to improve my short-handed skills.

have you read the link in the OP? all Kiwi does is, whenever he goes afk he opens up the maximum number of 50bb tables and sit out on all of them. he doesn't even actually play on them.

First, meh.
Second, isnt there a better way to improve my shorthanded skills than 14 tabling 9 person tables and adding in 2 HU or threeway tables?

im not gonna be playing my normal amount the next few days due to a huge remodel I am doing to my house. So I will create 24 50 bb min tbales like kiwi does. we will see what happens.

First, I meh your meh.

Second, yes, but mostly I'm trying to establish good FR tables, and practice at shorthanded play is just an incidental benefit.

from what i hear he owns 1/2, but loses a lot at 3/6+ either from running bad or being outmatched

stop being irrational

Quit bothering me, I only have time for improving at poker. Need to go to WSOP Academy or something.

It appears me starting the 50bb min tables worked everyone took off. I think Im gonna start doing this a few times a day. LIke half the tables at 1/2 are 50bb min. it appears the fish don't mind playing them if you just start them. I hope many more catch on and start doing it to.

ummm bump????? this is a huge hit with the 2/4+ crowd but people at 1/2 act like its no big deal. Yesterday I had over half the tables being 50bb with less than 5 minutes worth of work. cmon guys help out.

it's easier at 2/4+ because of the smaller player pool

i'll do my part and start up 24 of them before i go to sleep tonight.