2+2 encapsulated. A good question followed by replies that represent a strange mix of thoughtful, judgmental, depressing, encouraging, naive, simplistic, self-centred, and ridiculous.

Well it's not really a good question, is it? Elephant isn't going to change how he makes money just to improve the opinions about him by people who don't matter, and nor should he. Besides, being good at poker is a skill in of itself and you'd think it would be praised by the common man on the street just like any talent should. Granted the government may not see it in the same light . So bringing up this subject again is sort of pointless. As Woolly said "**** who cares".

Sorry if this has been discussed before, didn't realise/ thought it was interesting. Sure it's not too hard for those of you who don't want to read to scroll down though

Ha think I have ran quite hot vs you recently with ideal runouts etc.

Cheers, this is exactly the kinda thing I was trying to say but didn't articulate it very well at the time. Just supremely frustrating when people are constantly looking down on you for it to the point where I will literally avoid telling anyone I play poker if possible.

Steve Jobs is a cultural hero and how much does he have in tax havens?

From experience i can tell u that buying an expensive car/watch to impress people you dont like helps alot. Whoever gave me **** stopped instantly as soon as teh vette key + teh jayjay were on teh table

if you're on a budget only order a vette key from china, then strategically throw it around tables as often as you can

I had an interesting conversation with a BBH from Birmingham in a pub a few months ago about the whole poker morality thing. He raised an interesting point i had never considered. He said that we're technically entrepreneurs.

We create wealth essentially by taking cash from whales. Which we then redistribute into local economies.

i'm perfectly happy being a scumbag

#scumbag&proud

What about masterbation? Am I a bad person?

Paging jesus, son of god.

You moar like a bad person for pissing in frenchdawgs hotel room than mastErbation though

masturbation is mass murder

i thought u guys dont masterbate to save inner energy for teh table rage.

Bzzt

Welcome back, Tim.

You back because you think stars gonna start offering all regs 99% rakeback???

Unbanned obviously

i used to buy into the poker player as entrepreneur kool aid, but its pretty ****ing dumb, even if you include steaking or coaching. entrepreneurship implies innovation and creating wealth

to me an online grinder is = a cashier. a job that could be done by a bot, but the customers wouldn't like that.

something i've thought about a few times: which kind of poker offers the least amount of ethical dilemnas? 24 tabling SSFR and never being up more than like 1k on a single person, antonio esfandiari professional best friend taking huge sums from people who can lose it, or tourney grinder who doesn't directly take money, but probably has more total exposure than a cash pro

Do you get 100% rakeback on your VAT ?

Don't get the ethical concerns. Gamblers gonna gamble. If they don't lose it to you theyll hand it to billionaires at the casino, horse track, sportsbook, or the fruity UK crew. You're not convincing them to gamble with fountains and free drinks youre just showing up to take their action.

If you find that being a positive contribution to friends and family isnt enough and want to do good for society then you can in your spare time. or move on. Unless you're some superstar innovator your ability to contribute is totally replaceable imo.

Do what's best for you imo. If you find poker is less satisfying than working with mentally challenged lesbian amputees then go pursue that but don't feel guilty about choosing poker

I think online poker players mentality should be get money, plan exit, exit. I think the biggest leak poker pros have is the lack of an exit strategy leading to a large burn of cash and personal well being. I'd guess 99% of pros with around ten years experience and a happy life have significant sponsorship or side business income. I think being 100% in a poker bubble long term might not be for anyone

this is the correct answer

First Tim now Yada

gg guys

Pokerstars is still the best ¯\_(ツ)_/¯, they just regressed closer to the mean.... again

how many pages of this tread we`d get at this time of the year 2 years ago, anyone? 40?
ahh

Yeah, but we had a much better mod back then, to be fair.