I know you're not quite all there in the head.

It's pretty simple Mel: you are on 10 tables, you click 'sit out next bb' on one particular table because you want to leave one of your tables only.

Then the client sits you out either immediately or during your next bb on the other 9 tables even though you are happy to stay and play on them.

That's not sitting out- that's leaving. (It would read "Leave Next BB") It's how Party does it and it's presumably how Stars would do it.

If the software immediately boots you, then that is fine I guess.

However, considering camping is a reasonable technique to counter scripting, I wouldn't say the games have a general major problem with camping at the moment. Most games, (like 99%+), go by without the fish feeling targeted imo.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

but less rake for stars = it won't get implemented

Exactly. It's all about the cash at the end of the day.

Stop with the lazy thinking. No matter what is being discussed, sloppy reasoning, ignoring other factors, and not considering all of the implications always causes a lot of people to conclude "Oh, that would mean less rake" and from there: "Oh, that means Stars won't do it."

Evil cooperations with aspirations to take over the world don't think think on such a basic short-term, day-to-day basis.

Update from PS Steve on proposed 3rd party software changes:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=2080

Unless I'm missing something, I can condense that statement into: Skier's software is no longer allowed, everything else stays the same?

Pretty good result imo

For right now, but I think it's likely the end for Notecaddy and any other 3rd party software that does more than just offer basic HUD stats.

how enforceable is that?


Seems like great news.

Well, in rgds to caddy teh developers will have to eliminate certain features (and will do so).

Unless u write ur own caddy it basically will be enforced.

I was always contra caddy but i never used it so im biased anyways.

Gonna suq for muppets like benabadbeat though in which case notcaddy was pretty much teh only reason they were still be able to make money in 2015 and leech of teh system - gayme over...

Yeah some of the stuff NC tells you is pretty ridiculous and I'll be very happy if the more developed parts of NC go, although I am biased too as I don't use it.

I think I have a NC hud (got it off a friend) and some of the stats don't show since I don't have NC but just looking through the various stats, even the more basic ones would help ridiculous amounts and basically make a decision for you. You could argue that a normal HUD is a massive help so why draw the line after HUD and before NC but stats like bet/check/bet = value etc. is going too far imo (although I doubt those types of stats will be getting removed, just thought I'd pick a fairly simple stat that can be a huge help since it's a spot where most are highly unbalanced one way or the other so you don't even need a poker brain to use it efficiently).

Phew, really wasn't looking forward to having to learn Notecaddy.

lol at thinking this ban is enforceable

Well. For nc it is if they force them to remove certain features. Not so easy to code ur own caddy

I don't really understand how you can say Notecaddy is not allowed but normal HUDs are. What's the difference, or more importantly how can you technically differentiate between the two? All NC is really is an engine for custom creating stats. Just because a NC stat might be more complex than a normal HM2 stat doesn't mean it is essentially different. It just uses more parameters when compiling. In fact I've created HUD stats in NC that are far less complex than some of the readily available HM2 stats. Would they be disallowed?

I'm not really adept at NC enough to go into detail and I'm not denying I'm biased/slightly uneducated on the matter but when you have players who have a very strong NC HUD and ONLY use this to formulate their decisions then it's went too far. I know this isn't the case for most but I've been told from other people that there are regs out there that basically just use NC for any decision and have no real strat.

Secondly, I think the whole thing was a dynamic vs static debate. Some of the stats on my HUD I think are too advanced but they are static, I only have so much information I can access and it never changes throughout my session - I don't believe this was the case for NC. Like I said, I've never used NC so I don't know exactly how it works but if the HUD changes dependent on the scenario you're in then that's also gone too far imo.

this

although, i've never even used a 'scenario changing' hud or scatter graphs, so i don't think my life is going to change

But how do you define a stat as "too advanced"? All a stat basically does is run a filter on your database. Where do you draw the line between "acceptable" and "too advanced"? More advanced stats are not doing anything special, they're just applying a few more parameters to the filters they're using to look up the stats.

I may be wrong here, but I'm pretty sure beyond being dynamic based on the street (which is available in standard HM2), NC is not dynamic at all and that was a bit of a myth that just appeared from nowhere in the discussion thread.

Imo a program crosses a line if u dont have to interpret numbers anymoar.

For example:
- guy folds 40% to 3bets and 60% to flop cbets. Now i can interpret those numbers and see i can pretty much exploit him 3betting+contibetting flop any2 (simplified)
IMO if this whole scenario gets visualized with one tiny batch which shows u exploitability without u having to do any maths yourself it crosses a line.

Note that this is a v simplified example and its not hard to see direct exploitabilty here by just looking at 2 numbers. In game there are alot of situations which will be alot closer and u cant just calc in ur head

+1

good news that they want to limit the influence of 3rd party software but to enforce this would be next to impossible to technically meaningless

Agree with this. As soon as it's basically telling you what to do then it goes into a territory which should not be condoned. Plus due to the wide range of flops then something as generic as fold to cbet can't give an overall picture whereas the more in-depth stats that NC offers will be significantly easier to interpret.

The dynamic thing basically came from the AJA notecaddy pack. From reading the software thread it appears many people thought dynamic referred to the hud changing to give advice street by street during the hand which it doesn't. Dynamic only refers to the fact it will show a stat for all players, regs or v hero. It's no different from having a popup showing fold v 3bet versus each of the above which is something that can be done using the basic Hem2 stats anyway (well apart from v reg)

Ban everything that is bannable imo. As lons as Stars can enforce the ban it should be done, it will make the games advance at lower speeds which will make us a few more years of being able to play poker for a living before we have to go to the nearest mcdonalds to flip them burgers