where can i find a breakdown of how rake will be changed at every limit?

also how do i not get dark circles under my eyes from looking at the computer screen all day?

We're working on a write up of everything, so the full changes aren't ready yet.

didn't they already agree to 4.5% in the original announcement?
and profit increased by only 1.5%? can't really believe that.

this seems like great news
how is rake determined at 3/6, also 4.50% with $2.80 cap?
if not, is there any list u can see this by different limits?

in the meantime, great job klairic!

but lower rake cap too

quick question, will rake be lower across the board or higher at higher stakes and lower at lower stakes? if the latter, at what stakes will we start seeing a rake increase?

4.75% was original one, I fixed it. The new one is 4.5%.

I understand the scepticism on the 1.5%, but we spent a lot of time asking questions to understand and verify that number as best we could. There are assumptions, and 1.5% isn't exact (we think it's likely closer to 1.6/1.7), but we'll release more info soon on why we think it's not going to be off by much.

OK, 4.5 and cap lowered sounds much better.

will the lower limits (especially nl100) also have 4.5%? just asking because you explicitly mentioned nl200.

4.5% is everywhere but the micros (they're lower in some places). I'm not going to reveal more until the announcement is made. Mentioning the 200NL changes was just a sample that I knew you guys would be interested in.

I'm thinking back, and I'm not so sure if the original Stars rake proposal was 4.75 or 4.5. I'm very tired, and it'll all be sorted out soon.

OK, thank you for the update, klairic.

to me it looks like these changes will be incredible. well done.

ROM will be unhappy though.

how are they 'incredible'? you will still earn less money than last year, right?

and with another 10% vpp reduction, my hunt for sne is basically over.

i saw u at 200nl today (maybe yesterday), if u play there u can continue your sne quest, im sure u beat 200nl pretty good as well

any rake reduction is 100% rakeback amirite?

200nl just makes me sick. didn't play 200 for almost a year and instantly dropped 12 buyins over the first 5k hands yesterday. definitely haunted!

What?

I think he means "incredible" is much the same way Americans like to get all emotional, tearful, and over-exaggerate everything. Such as "OMG, that pizza was frigging AWESOME dude."

In the normal use of the English language they appear "OK" at first glance, if it means SNE is extended all year as from now.

The rake reduction won't really help SNE wanna-be's though. I'll have to run some numbers but I fear it will be the end of the majority of cash game SNEs. A reduction of 20%-40% in VPPs already, coupled by a now further reduction in VPPs (albeit with a small benefit of decreased rake) looks like it will be mean the necessary volume will be too much for anyone who also likes to eat and sleep.

according to my calculations, the money i'll save from lower rake and the money i'll lose from the WC change will roughly negate eachother. however, lower rake is great for the poker ecosystem. especially at the micros. fish and bad regs will survive longer and be able to move up, etc.

SNE is still harder to attain but short term that is negated by SNE being worth more since you can easily maintain it throughout 2013.

IMO what was originally a terrible situation (change to WC) is now a better situation than it was pre-WC. so yeah, i'm a huge fan of these changes.

Well done Klairic. Looking forward to more details

Extending SNE for a full year is not a benefit at all if it doesn't apply until 2013, if it's no longer possible to reach SNE due to the now DOUBLE reduction in VPPs.

If the SNE extension is applied for 2012 then it's worth an extra ~$3,600 assuming the same volume as last year (which is probably equivalent to 600k VPPs this year) and is a small consolation for getting told 3 days before the year started that we'll be losing tens of thousands.

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That isn't a dig at you Klairic by the way. I'm sure you all worked very hard and did the best job you all could. I just think Stars handled it all poorly and f*cked over their SNEs.

Full year SNE starts this year, and will continue. Any misunderstanding is due to being exhausted.

Thanks for clarifying.