Tables are 2006ish right now, but no reg should be playing.

playing to win a few k and losing 20+k a year and possibly more in the future makes sense

+1

Sadly its more EV just to play right now... That few K has more value than you sitting out at ONE table.

lol fu

sometimes principles > cash

Cant even one table huh? Get on all the waiting lists then.

i can sit out at more tables

i m getting kicked

Agree, that's why im not playing right now, and I sent many emails to stars. Its so ****ed up how stars is handling this, announce it the 28th, take good things back to cover the 5 max rake, and now especially this 1 table bull****, their basically saying to their players "**** you" I would of expected them to prevent the strike but not like this, this just makes things worse.

Short term greed will cost you long term need friends

Sitting out vs playing is an investment into the lifestyle of your future children, do not play

Cross poasted from sit out with w/ link provided in case you don't know where it is

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...l#post30683053

What are the best alternate sites to try out, with fairly decent traffic and rake back?

haha wtf is going on stars, i guess that makes sense, was wondering

this has been mentioned a few times, but what we really need is competition from other sites. all of 2p2 can sit out the entire year, and stars will still be making money, and still be the largest site in the world.

What times the strike on till? Just woke up checked lobby and nearly everyone is playing

hem says 2200 vpp, stars says 2600 vpp so far, less tables might be teh answer

30 percent vpip though over 2k hands

I mentioned in the old thread but I guess everyone's lookin at this one...

Problem is after playing millions of hands at stars the software at other sites is the worst nightmare.. Then you basically are obligated to start playing some 6max (not much FR), and most of the sites have the "new" rake system stars has. Personally I put some money on PartyPoker, did not play yet, but like I siad not much FR tables going.

You can get good rakeback at William Hill (50-60% I think), and supposedly they improved a lot the software recently, I would download the client and check it out (if u register be sure to use some affiliate code for extra rakeback).

+1 good luck homies

OK. Cheers.

Ur right about the competition Vini, if we have a Players Union we can reduce the degree of leverage Pokerstars has imo.

i will run 100 buy ins over ev this year.

i have no doubt this will happen.

Pretty sure ft will obviously cater better for the high volume players and it'll be interesting to see how far these protests will go regarding pokerstars idiotic descion but for me im waiting for GB FTP

one thing thats always surprised me about online poker is how ****ing terrible some of the software is. even ft was kinda crappy.

theoretically, stars software, customer service, and overall business efficiency should improve over time. pretty sure anyone who's played more than a couple years can see that just with the software changes over the last couple of years.

however, what is crucial to keeping the industry improving and changing is competition. realistically, stars is still the best site, by far, to do your fullring grinding. as much as they ****ed us over, they could have done 2x what they did, and it'd still be most +EV for us to play on this site. they also could do absolutely nothing to improve their customer service or software, and there's no way something like party or merge would catch up them in the realistic future.

this doesn't mean there needs to be a million skins and a million online poker rooms. there has to be sufficient economies of scale for stars to do proper advertising/streamlining/etc. i think, ideally, there would be 2-4 top tier sites in fierce competition with each other. imagine an industry with pretty massive start up costs like automative, oil, wireless phones and internet, banks

/econ 101