i don't really think this is fair. people are protected their livelihoods. that is serious business.

This is not scummy in the slightest if he plays both the BB and SB/button. He gains exactly no edge. If he plays SB/button and leaves without posting BB that is grimming and absolutely cheating, against the rules, and should be reported/outted.

edit: And it's just as scummy if they fold their button it's still an unfair advantage they gained just because they lost money that one time doesn't make it ok.

it's funny that someone could think that

is "scummy"

agree, playing ur btn and sb then leaving isn't scummy. You may find it annoying but that's all it is.

the first part is annoying; guess i should have out lined the thing in brackets first.

yea its annoying how bumhunty the regs are there im there thrusday to monday now and i kinda enjoy it since most of the guys that play 10/25 are friendly most of the regs are really nitty that play there in general but thats what makes it pretty easy

live HU is miserable i dont mind 3 handed i gave up HU after about 6 hours of live and the biggest pot i played was still less then like 200bb

you wanted it, needs participation.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/96...guide-1198177/

Oh, on a totally opposite note i want to thanks WCG|Rider in the thread for randomly getting in contact with me today on Skype and informing me that I still had a coaching session remaining with him from 3 years ago and that he would like to repay me for it. I had long forgotten i had an hour session remaining, and then when i did remember (about 6 months ago) I thought it far to late to ask for a refund.

Anyway, he saw me on skype today and messaged to say he was happy to refund me. So ty doug.

haha. i would have begged for an hour of hu coaching. how does he flat q2o to button 2.5x???

good guy doug

haha I know, i would obviously have loved have an hour of hu coaching lol but even though it was the first thing that crossed my mind i obviously would never bring it up. If i was more of a dick i would have done but would be just a hideous amount of cheek to ask that. I was v impressed that he was kind enough to refund me at all, In fairness even when he offered i told him that it was totally unnecessary but he insisted.

Yeah, Doug's always been a stand-up, respectable guy in all my interactions with him

wcg is the ultimate cool guys guy imo

thanks neo, good idea. Will have to make sure I can open up usd account at my bank if that is the case too.


maybe we run into each other in vegas again this year, you going?

I had to decline that 3some offer I talked about before, told her I'm trying to play it by the jrock/vinivici poker book meaning not be crazy, find one person to like, grind it out


happy

2012 crazy year

Not direct at Zach in particular but I have admit I am bit confused with the table breaking up etiquette. Say table breaks up and I am left in SB/BU vs one other reg. I am playing on a lot of other tables and do not fancy playing anyone HU. Is it ok to raise the same range as I would playing HU (ie. min-raise almost A2C?) and then sit out next hand? If not, how much should I raise, how much should I fold?

you're allowed to play this hand however you want

Yeah it's not your fault that the table's broken up and you've been put in that place. Totally different to sitting HU with a specific goal in mind to grim someone.

If I think I might be doing something that could be seen as bad etiquette, I just say something in chat. I mean stuff like stacking a reg when you're UTG and you've already decided you're leaving the table next hand, or winning one hand HU then leaving when the table breaks.. Most people are totally fine if they know you're not doing it to be a d-bag.

Xela, as ashi says you can more or less play it as you want.

When the tables are closing it's much more of a moot point in regards to grimming. In my experience though you will quickly work out which regs will show you courtesy and which ones will not. If I get hu as a table breaks with people like natisfinest, rivrmeadream, cb4mvp etc, then I have a pretty good understanding that neither of us like grimming the other and often one of us will offer the other to play their btn before we leave or in some instances we one plays the btn, completes, and we just limp the hand down to showdown.

Other regs however (Roooooonnnnnnffffaaaaaarrrrrr), i just tend to think of it as being open season since they wouldn't show the same courtesy to myself or others.

All in all, i think as tables break you should just do what you want depending on what you think of the player that is left with you.

yeah for me it depends on the regs. if it's someone i know i'll either fold btn with bottom of my raising range and sit out, or i'll raise if i have a hand then play my bb and sitout after, unless they win the pot on my btn then i just sit out before bb since they won anyway

I ran it and I've been buttoned 493 times in 22k hands of 2 handed play... thats a ****ing lot. If I'm paying attention and the other guy is someone I respect I'll give him one back but for the most part I'm just clicking sit out next bb because being standup about it has cost me quite a bit and etiquette don't pay the bills.

options-> advanced multitable options-> ask to post blinds

just turn it on noobs. jesus christ. and every scumbag that starts tables and doesnt have this on and still grimms, go die

leaving when a table breaks is w/e especially if you're playing a bunch of tables. But if you're starting tables and they sit with you resulting in you getting the button (or if you play on a site where the person sitting can get the button) you should play 0 or 2 hands, not 1. You shouldn't play any different than you would, but playing the button is an advantage and it's not a fair game if you're constantly playing only your SB. It's literally cheating.