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04-24-2012 , 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by vinivici9586
paging rom and ponty. what is standard chat when this guy 3b and fold to min 4bet from 70/40 w/ 33 percent 3bet, that is overbetting, shoving a ton, 220bb deep. ty
I like to avoid these tricky spots by keeping myself self-banned.

However, if pushed for an answer, I'd probably go for the Ukrainian version of an old favourite, usually reserved for short-stackers:

вмирають у Чорнобильській вогонь
04-24-2012 , 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ROM Amnesty
I like to avoid these tricky spots by keeping myself self-banned.

However, if pushed for an answer, I'd probably go for the Ukrainian version of an old favourite, usually reserved for short-stackers:

вмирають у Чорнобильській вогонь
ROM for President...

"cher·no·byl/CHirˈnōbil/

A town near Kiev in Ukraine where an accident at a nuclear power station in 1986 resulted in radioactive contamination in Ukraine,..."
04-24-2012 , 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by jimmyvjv13
Tim you are being incredibly short-sighted with what you say...
Yeah, I agree here. What he's saying is a problem if everyone decides to do it. If no one follows his lead and decides to do what they think is right, then we'll be fine. A lot of the more successful players set the standard to follow, and for the most part it seems to go well. Unfortunately, the problems at high stakes are making it seem like these things are ok, and I don't think it'll be that long (relative) before snap sitting out is common at all stakes.

Odds on mass amounts of poker players deciding to take -ev decisions to do the right thing here?
04-25-2012 , 12:36 AM
if you read this then you were lucky to get some wisdom, too much strat tho

Last edited by ChicagoJoey; 04-25-2012 at 12:54 AM.
04-25-2012 , 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoJoey
if you read this then you were lucky to get some wisdom, too much strat tho
ur other post was way better
04-25-2012 , 02:45 AM
yea just did something bad, now feel like ****
04-25-2012 , 02:49 AM
i didnt understand if you paid $500 to be in a 3 some, make a 3 some video, watch a 3 some video, or no money at all, but either way i was intrigued
04-25-2012 , 02:56 AM
the other girl sugar daddy paid them 500 to **** each other basically, she asked me if i wanted to have 3 some with the 2 of them though, not sure if i have to pay though
04-25-2012 , 03:05 AM
prob owed money in that case
04-25-2012 , 03:36 AM
04-25-2012 , 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoJoey
the other girl sugar daddy paid them 500 to **** each other basically, she asked me if i wanted to have 3 some with the 2 of them though, not sure if i have to pay though
whatever agreement you guys decide, don't do it at your palace - too many valuables. just come to mine. i will set up ustream for bbv/justdgmt.
04-25-2012 , 05:34 AM
spot on
04-25-2012 , 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Klairic
Yeah, I agree here. What he's saying is a problem if everyone decides to do it. If no one follows his lead and decides to do what they think is right, then we'll be fine. A lot of the more successful players set the standard to follow, and for the most part it seems to go well. Unfortunately, the problems at high stakes are making it seem like these things are ok, and I don't think it'll be that long (relative) before snap sitting out is common at all stakes.

Odds on mass amounts of poker players deciding to take -ev decisions to do the right thing here?
Exactly. It's a cartel of sorts. If we all are classy and play with high morals and regards everyone is better off, but each person's own highest benefit lies in the scenario where they are scumbags... and we all know what happens next.
04-25-2012 , 09:30 AM
Never knew how a -57k day would feel, surprisingly not as bad as I thought, looks like going to doing wire for large amount going to be annoying with all the converting
04-25-2012 , 09:45 AM
Glad to see your still alive natis
04-25-2012 , 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by jimmyvjv13
Exactly. It's a cartel of sorts. If we all are classy and play with high morals and regards everyone is better off, but each person's own highest benefit lies in the scenario where they are scumbags... and we all know what happens next.
But the issue is the highest benefit might be like $5 higher whereas if everyone sits out they all lose 10k+. Obviously the numbers are different and I may be exaggerating slightly but come the **** on playing one or even a couple orbits against regs cannot possibly cost you that much (unless you're shot-taking or something that's the only time I can see it being slightly ok) whereas the ev of getting donators to know they're being hunted could potentially be super terrible for everyone's bottom line. It's just so tilting like I actually start tables every chance I get so then when the people who won't start tables at all not only always get their choice of seat when a fish sits but also sits out as soon as the fish does it's just absurd. The first part I can deal with it's how it's going to be, but when you're basically admitting you can't win money unless it's from a fish and then you take actions that do a good job of scaring said fish away, well yeah it's just not even smart from a personal standpoint.
04-25-2012 , 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by TimStone
ok, to clearify here...

there are games at 400 and especially 600 where i snapsnit out when fish does bc i know i'm not +EV there anymoar. at 200 i'm not that cautious for the most part. the screenshot ment posted for example was with a fish who has the tendency not to come back at all most of the time so i sit out and see if he comes back. in general most of this sitting out happens at 6max anyways. i don't really have a prob to play another FR orbit but at 6max there are just some tables i don't want to play without the fish around.

this is obv only my opinion and i'm pretty much alone with it as i can see but so be it...

if you want things to change encourage stars to change something and then me and many others who do the same have to adept. as long as it is within the rules me and other people will continue to "abuse" tis... same for 40BB stacks, grimming and so on...
It is not within the rules.

http://www.pokerstars.ee/en//poker/room/policies/ring/

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Competition/Sitting Out
It is not acceptable to remain sitting out at a table (especially an active one) waiting for one of only a few preferred opponents to arrive or sit in.
04-25-2012 , 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Klairic
Yeah, I agree here. What he's saying is a problem if everyone decides to do it. If no one follows his lead and decides to do what they think is right, then we'll be fine. A lot of the more successful players set the standard to follow, and for the most part it seems to go well. Unfortunately, the problems at high stakes are making it seem like these things are ok, and I don't think it'll be that long (relative) before snap sitting out is common at all stakes.

Odds on mass amounts of poker players deciding to take -ev decisions to do the right thing here?
The thing is at high stakes we continue to play after the fish is gone. Its the bumhunters and shot takers that instantly sit out and bounce when the fish leaves. What's even worse is when the fish sits out and takes a break, they sit out, and insta sit back in when the fish comes back. That's just absolutely disgusting...

Zach has a good point here, an orbit or two ain't gonna cost you an arm and a leg, but the fish might rebuy is he sees the game is still going and he is not the OBVIOUS mark in his/her mind. When everyone sits out and waits to see if he's gonna rebuy and the game barely continues, he's like eff this, I'm no sucka...

At this point, there's no way to stop tim and the other god-seaters. And its part of online poker, we have to deal with it. At least PTR going down has slowed down the initial flood of god-seaters when a fish sits down a w/ a table starting reg. At least the table fills slowly and looks natural, whereas 2 weeks ago, within 5 literally 5seconds, a FR table will be full and the fish is sitting there thinking, wtf just happened?!

Hard to ask other players to pay another BB when they don't want to. If I were them, in their position, I wouldn't want to... The only thing I've started doing is b1tching out other regs for bad conduct like that and the results have surprising good, for the most part they actually agree with me and start doing the right thing (not insta-sitting out, giving back btns). At 400NL and up tho, the player pool is much smaller so easier to develop verbal relationships with players as you see them all the time.
04-25-2012 , 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Shark
The thing is at high stakes we continue to play after the fish is gone.
I have bad news for you buddy
04-25-2012 , 10:55 AM
Lol ment icwudt
04-25-2012 , 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by ment52
I have bad news for you buddy
lol
Set myself up for that one....maybe I'll start sitting out then...

Funny as that is, there's definitely a different culture up there between regs. And sitting out when the fish sits out, is NOT part of it. 0% of regular players up there do it, probly because with so little games, we can't afford to look shady. Furthermore, recreational players at that level know what they're getting into, and as opponents/entertainers (yes, I said entertainers, bring it), we're ruining their experience by doing stuff like that. Would we ever want to risk trout being upset about the conduct at the tables he's playing at?
04-25-2012 , 12:41 PM
shark has very wise words
but if im not mistaking i think around 90% of the regulars totally agree with you
its 10% (or even less) of extreme bumhunters that might scare off the fishes
just hoping it wont catch on cus that will destroy the games

overall i think the etiquette of the regulars is more than OK
fi: got blinds back after table broke down and resulted in HU, by two different regulars this week, i can appreciate these things
04-25-2012 , 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ment52
If this is in the terms of service, why don't you email support and report the people who do it?
04-25-2012 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ashiXIII
If this is in the terms of service, why don't you email support and report the people who do it?
This is what I thought when I checked the link out. Didn't even know there was such a rule. Support will at least warn these guys after receiving a couple reports and this is already a step forward.

Have people tried reporting this?

      
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