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01-01-2012 , 08:01 AM
world is gonna end this year so who cares about poker.

but still hope you all run as good as me in 2011.



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Last edited by King Spew; 01-02-2012 at 07:34 PM.
01-01-2012 , 08:11 AM
first

01-01-2012 , 08:33 AM
gl everyone, hope i can get back to ftp soon enough, but if that doesnt happen w/e ill grind stars shrug
01-01-2012 , 08:38 AM
1st page, gl everyone
01-01-2012 , 08:38 AM
Fourth. Gonna kill it this year
01-01-2012 , 08:42 AM
Going travelling this year. Be lucky if I maintain Supernova. Wouldn't have made it this yr without the free 50k VPPs from last yrs WSOP ME. Epic fail.
01-01-2012 , 08:52 AM
#7, 8 figures it will be.

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01-01-2012 , 09:02 AM
8 figures which way?
01-01-2012 , 09:13 AM
In on first page
01-01-2012 , 09:22 AM
GL all! Hoping to run as good as Ment or blaabar this year!
01-01-2012 , 10:03 AM
In

Must get SNE before Dec 1st so that Ill have 100k to blow before world ends on the 20th or w/e
01-01-2012 , 10:07 AM
I'll settle with running as good as pontylad

happy new year peeps, glgl
01-01-2012 , 10:20 AM
Happy New Year to all
This year I resolve to smash less computer equipment
01-01-2012 , 10:41 AM
good luck on the virtual felt guys!
01-01-2012 , 10:58 AM
gl guys,gonna play a lot more this year.
01-01-2012 , 11:03 AM
16th

Lets get this party started!
01-01-2012 , 11:18 AM
No f*ucking around with 1sts, 3ths, Happy New Years, or any of that shlt from me. Straight down to business:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Perfection
ROM

re: your example for the guy with 80% RB

He goes from paying $100 rake total and after RB effectively paying $20 to paying $80 in rake and effectively $28.80

BUT that doesnt account for the extra $20 that stayed on the table in the pots he played to be won/lost. So if we assume hes a winning player then surely at least $10 of that would go to improving his WR - thus his bottom line of rake paid went from -$20 to at most -$18.80

So I think saying hes 'worse off' is a little incorrect.

PLUS, even if your numbers are to be taken at face value, Im pretty sure thats exactly what Stars are trying to do ie. give less money back to the SN/SNEs and more to the lower VIP levels. I dont think anyone has a right to say 'I want my RB% to remain the same.' The reason Im going to be sitting out is because its important that the total given back to everyone stays the same, which atm it isnt.
I'm quite sure what you're saying about the $20 doesn't make sense. Can you explain in more detail what you mean?

The change to wc rake takes from the rich and gives to the poor. By reducing the rake paid as well, this also does that. It's a double hit.
01-01-2012 , 11:22 AM
I'm re-quoting this as I think that it's very, very important that everyone understands that a reduction in rake paid %age is not a good solution for compensation for the reduction in VPP value. (Especially for players with high rake back %ages. Although it does reward the players with low rack back %ages.)

The following highlights how reducing rake paid by 20% to compensate for a loss of 20% in VPP value would effect players differently, depending on their rake back %age:

>>>>>>>>>> Someone who has equivalent of 80% rake back on Stars, would effectively see the amount of rake they pay increase by 44%. (The example quoted above assumes 80% rack back, and the calculations are detailed there, and repeated below.)

>>>>>>>>>> Someone who has equivalent of 50% rake back on Stars, would effectively see the amount of rake they pay decrease by 4%. (Details at bottom of post.)

>>>>>>>>>> Someone who has equivalent of 20% rake back on Stars, would effectively see the amount of rake they pay decrease by 16%. (Details at bottom of post.)

On top of this, and another very important point is that everyone would earn VPPs at a 20% slower rate, hence milestones would be far harder to reach, resulting in significant further reduction in the value of VPPs. (Milestone targets and cost of store items would therefore also have to be reduced by 20%.)


In Summary, simply reducing the %age of rake paid is not a good, fair, or simple solution to compensating for a loss in VPP value.

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Detail for player with 80% rack back:

Imagine a hypothetical reward system where for every $100 paid in rake, you get 80 VPPs, each worth $1. This results in a total cost to the player (rake paid less rakeback) of $20.

Now, if the value of each VPP was reduced by 20% but the rake was also reduced by 20%; over that same sample you will now pay only $80 in rake. This will give you 64 VPPs (80% of $80), each worth $0.80. This results in a total cost to the player of (64*$0.80 - $80) $28.80. You are 44% worse off!


Detail for player with 50% rack back:

Imagine a hypothetical reward system where for every $100 paid in rake, you get 50 VPPs, each worth $1. This results in a total cost to the player (rake paid less rakeback) of $50.

Now, if the value of each VPP was reduced by 20% but the rake was also reduced by 20%; over that same sample you will now pay only $80 in rake. This will give you 40 VPPs (50% of $80), each worth $0.80. This results in a total cost to the player of (40*$0.80 - $80) $48. You are 4% better off.


Detail for player with 20% rack back:

Imagine a hypothetical reward system where for every $100 paid in rake, you get 20 VPPs, each worth $1. This results in a total cost to the player (rake paid less rakeback) of $80.

Now, if the value of each VPP was reduced by 20% but the rake was also reduced by 20%; over that same sample you will now pay only $80 in rake. This will give you 16 VPPs (20% of $80), each worth $0.80. This results in a total cost to the player of (16*$0.80 - $80) $67.20 You are 16% better off.
01-01-2012 , 11:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Perfection
In

Must get SNE before Dec 1st so that Ill have 100k to blow before world ends on the 20th or w/e
Better yet, you should visit Mexico in December. It's an awesome country. Just stay away from Cancun. It's awful..
01-01-2012 , 11:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ROM Amnesty
Right, SNE completed so I'll address this.

Disclaimer: I've been playing for 16.5 hours straight so I'm too tired to double check these following calculations right now.


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Of course I understand the point you're making, but there are a couple of mistakes.

Firstly, the rake would have to be lowered by a lot more than 20% (5% --> 4%) in order for things to remain in equilibrium.

Imagine a hypothetical reward system where for every $100 paid in rake, you get 80 VPPs, each worth $1. This results in a total cost to the player (rake paid less rakeback) of $20.

Now, if the value of each VPP was reduced by 20% but the rake was also reduced by 20%; over that same sample you will now pay only $80 in rake. This will give you 64 VPPs (80% of $80), each worth $0.80. This results in a total cost to the player of (64*$0.80 - $80) $28.80. You are 44% worse off!

Amazingly, in order to remain the same as before, the rake would have to be reduced by 44.8%!! If this happened then rake paid over the same sample is $55.20. This gives 44 VPPs worth $0.80 each. Total cost is (44*$0.80 - $55.20) $20.



Secondly, which I mentioned in my previous post, the targets for each milestone (and cost of each item in the store) would need to be reduced. This is because each VPP isn't directly related to a cash value. Rather, the VPPs get you to a milestone, and the milestone itself holds the value.

E.g. Adapting our original hypothetical rewards system above, let's assume that instead of each VPP being worth $1 there is instead a 100VPP milestone worth $100. Now, in our revised hypothetical system where each VPP was reduced by 20%, if we are to simply reduce the value of reaching 100VPPs to $80 this won't work because we wouldn't reach the milestone in the same amount of time/hands as we're earning VPPs at a slower rate.

confused, where did $20 u save on rake go??
01-01-2012 , 11:58 AM
In. **** 2011, maybe 2012 won't be a disaster!
01-01-2012 , 11:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by justDgmt
confused, where did $20 u save on rake go??
I'm confused with what you're asking.

In the example above, the initial amount paid in rake (after rake back) is $20. By then reducing the rake paid %age by 20% as a compensation to switching to WC rake (with a set 20% reduction in VPP for simplicity) it shows that we are worse off.
01-01-2012 , 12:07 PM
at what time does mass sit out end?
01-01-2012 , 12:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ROM Amnesty
I'm confused with what you're asking.

In the example above, the initial amount paid in rake (after rake back) is $20. By then reducing the rake paid %age by 20% as a compensation to switching to WC rake (with a set 20% reduction in VPP for simplicity) it shows that we are worse off.
i m unable to think but it seem like typical 'make the rake higher so i can get more vpps'. sure vpp value goes down but u save a lot more on rake
01-01-2012 , 12:10 PM
playing less tbl of plo my vpp rate is even better, lol

      
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