You guys are seriously telling DR to wear a full suit to an interview being hosted at a coffee shop? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. You're supposed to be pros at reading people ffs. How formal do you think the interviewer wants this to be?
(All that said, @DR you're supposed to provide reads with your strat questions...)
pretty sure it's an interview for a professional position. regardless of where it's held overdressing for an interview can't hurt his chances, underdressing can.
thought about this some more and i think if ringer included poker on his resume a suit is more mandatory b/c it might help him break down some preconceived notions about that as a career choice
plus personally i enjoy suiting up since it's something i rarely have a reason to anymore and the how differently people treat you is hilarious (in a good way) so i'd always lean towards that
I went with the father's advice on this one. Basically the engineers are gonna be in business casual at best (maybe jeans). So I will look hella-fresh in comparison to them... yet not too much. I think coming in too suited up might send the wrong idea on the first interview like I dont' know the temp of the room. I will be planning to suit up if i make it to round 2.
go to coffee place. get coffee. sit outside and see what people (in particular the people driving in the nicer cars) are wearing. post entertaining tales of ribaldry itt while you are accomplishing reconaissance. make sure you don't dress more casual than the sharpest dressed guy. GL
was the hand against persnickety ringer? if so that invalidates it since im pretty sure K high is the nuts against him in any pot. he sure is an entertaining one.
was the hand against persnickety ringer? if so that invalidates it since im pretty sure K high is the nuts against him in any pot. he sure is an entertaining one.
90%+ of the time it's not going to matter whether you wear a suit or not, but there's really no upside to going without it. The suit shows some respect and says I really want this job.
Button up and tie usually says that, too...but a little less so.
Semi-related story:
I was interviewing somebody for an engineering job way back, and the guy came in like an enginner that just came from work - causal button up and khakis, untucked shirt. It gave the impression that he didn't really care whether he got the job or not, and that combined with a similar hint of that type of attitude in his interview responses led me to not recommend him for the position (I wasn't the hiring manager).
In a wierd twist of fate, ~5 years later I was at an interview for a spot in a small company and one of the guys to interview me is this same guy. I didn't fully recognize him at first, but we got to talking and it became clear that this was that guy. He goes on to tell me that he didn't actually want that position 5 years ago because he had some other offer on the table and didn't like our product as much as theirs (we were a 1 product start-up).
I guess the point of the long story is: if you really want the job, dress like it, because people just might read into it.
While this guy was basically passing on an opportunity that he didn't really want, so he didn't see it as much of a loss, he likely cost himself an opportunity to negotiate a better deal with the company he did want to work for (by having competeing offers).
Agree, the suit strategy almost certainly dominates a non-suit strategy, with the one caveat being the interviewer will actually like you less for wearing one. However, imo conservatism is valued more than risk taking in engineering generally speaking, so I think the probability of this is minimal.
The times where I think more casual is OK is when before I interview somebody if they explicitly ask what to wear I'll say we are casual so wear whatever. It's just when somebody does not know for sure what to wear and they don't go the conservative route that I get a little suspicious.
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