Never played a hand before and instantly left table to post it but i reallly wanna get input on this;

NL100. I play on cake, No hud stats;
3 or 4 orbits in against mostly unknowns + a couple regs.
villain is an unknown that seems to be moderately aggressive and probably winning player (in between TAG and LAG). Definately tight in EP and Loose LP.

Action folds to villain in HJ
HJ($123.00) opens to $3.00
CO folds.
Bttn(ME)$118.00) AJ. I call the $3.00, blinds fold.
FLOP: J86(pot:$7.50)
CO bets $5.00.
ME: raise to $15.00
CO; calls $10.00
POT: $37.50.) TURN: Q
CO; checks. I check it back
RIVER: Q
CO: bets $20.00
ME:?

PREFLOP: raise or call?
Flop; raise or call?
Turn: check or bet?
River: call or..raise/fold, raise/call??

in b4

[ ] very interesting

i prefer flat pre, raise flop, b/c turn and raise river. shoving is possibly not great so r/f, in theory, is probably optimal, despite the horrendous pot odds you'll have when he jams.

ha.

iirc cake does allow huds as of a year ago
+1 to r/f otr

yeah you can def use a hud on cake, just a bit difficult to set up

overbet the turn

why?

the hand histories are set up all funky, and i thought it was not allowed. Thats one reason i play there. Plus you can change your screen name every week which resets the stats, or so i thought. It erases any notes.
Hmm...
So other players could have stats on me..suck!


Did someone say that I posted this hand already or someone played the EXACTish hand and posted it before??
I JUST played the hand before i posted it. I know i didn't post it before.

I think every street from Preflop to the river has tough choices.
I could 3bet preflop (if small enough) and maybe get called by some second best hands; but i think pre is pretty standard
I could flat the flop, but raise is prolly standard
But for sure the turn is a tough street? Is raise>check? I'm not sure at all.
And the river?? Am i so bad at this game that the riv is a super standard spot and i had NO CLUE how to handle it??

I think the turn and river are super debatable.

lol sorry was far too tempting.

fwiw i'm bet/calling this turn for around $30

not betting the turn makes the river a pain. prob r/f like smb said.

edit: just do what smb says - ez game

that seems IMHO to be the only CLEAR mistake i could make on the turn?
whats the idea behind the over bet?

not at all disagreeing w/ this, just want to understand it better.

If i bet the turn, for value?, i guess, how does that help w/ river?
I understand that i CAN bet for value on the turn as i either beat or have good equity against just about anything opp could hold. But let me explain my thought process.

The way i saw it, my opp either has 88,99 JX or FD most of the time I'm ahead, maybe some second pairs like A7s or something(prolly unlikely). If i'm behind I don't want to bet so lets just assume for a second i'm ahead. When the turn peels Q that screws up the JX i can beat to JX i am beat by quite a bit. I was beating TJ, QJ, KJ, and now only KJ. It also diminishes the number of second best hands that will call another bet. For instance, JT can now find fold button pretty easily and any PP that I was beating has now been reduced to 3rd pair instead of 2nd (99-TT) these hands prolly fold the turn but maybe bet or call on the riv if i x turn.
So xing back the turn keeps some second best stuff in and willing to call one more bet on the river, it maybe induces a bluff from a random hand/flush draw if it misses. And i'm not worried about giving a free card. The only card that would be really bad would be a non diamond K. On balance the turn feels like a x to me.
So, why is bet turn/call raise better??
sincere question not debate.

betting the turn because i think we're good pretty much 100% on the flop after this action, and we want to get value from worse J's, 99, TT and possibly FD's.

If he shoves turn you call. youre most likely behind but you beat some stuff and have some equity against other hands. If he calls, river is an easy shove.

also starting to think i'd shove river as played. seems unlikely he's betting 20 into 37 w/ QJ.

[QUOTE=riksanchez;33608957]betting the turn because i think we're good pretty much 100% on the flop after this action, and we want to get value from worse J's, 99, TT and possibly FD's.

ME: I agree we're good a very high % of the time on the flop. On the turn we still beat most of villains range but I'm not sure thats a good enough reason to bet.
If villain has JX, I think he calls one more time either now or on the river and it prolly doesnt matter which street I bet.
If villain has FD we can definately value bet, but that's only one possibility, and since we have XdXd and there are two 's on the board I dont think its super likely he's got diamonds. Even if he does, checking isn't terrible; it may give him the nerve to bluff when he misses and we likley stack him on most riv diamond either way.
If villain has PP: he maybe calls one more bet but more likely on the riv then on the turn, IMO.(of course its always POSSIBLE to get 3 streets called with TTish, but unlikely, and there are cards that can peel the riv that make it harder to get vbet paid but those are gonna be cards villain is most likely to turn his hand into a bluff on.)
IF villain has KJ:OK, definately want to bet turn vs KJ.

And, this is BIG: We NEVER fold out better hands. Can AA or KK find the fold button? 2 pair? set? I don't see it at all. I don't even think we fold out AJo that would usually (not always) split the pot.

If he shoves turn you call. youre most likely behind but you beat some stuff and have some equity against other hands.
ME: another reason to not bet turn. He might shove and we have to call, that seems bad to me.
If he calls, river is an easy shove.
ME; totally disagree, unless you mean THIS exact river. (assuming we bet turn and are called), I think a lot of river cards will make our shove anything but trivial. off suite K being the nut worst followed by T (improves TT and JT)

also starting to think i'd shove river as played. seems unlikely he's betting 20 into 37 w/ QJ
ME;Hmm.. I dont know about that. We x'd the turn back, he might have been looking for a check raise. I think he could surely bet 2/3ish for value with QJ.