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Old 01-04-2017, 08:51 PM   #1
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NL100 KJo top 2

V is 28/10/4 over 1600 hands, started hand with 51BB. Typical LP fish. F2CB 73%, raise CB IP 7%. IMO, his raise otf narrows his range considerably. If I give him AK/KQ, JT, then shoving is fine, but if I narrow him down then suddenly this looks like a reasonable call flop/fold turn?


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UTG+1 ($98.83)
Hero (MP1) ($131.88)
MP2 ($105.65)
MP3 ($213.58)
CO ($35.67)
Button ($51)
SB ($74.26)
BB ($97)
UTG ($19.81)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J, K
2 folds, Hero raises $2.87, 3 folds, Button calls $2.87, SB calls $2.37, 1 fold

Flop: ($9.61) J, K, 10 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $7.20, Button raises $16.40, 1 fold, Hero??
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Old 01-05-2017, 01:05 AM   #2
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Re: NL100 KJo top 2

I don't like opening with KJ off from MP since the button or CO can flat you with hands much better.

If you continue on this hand you are hoping he has Q10 or 10J. It's a tough spot. I would had checked the flop.
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Old 01-05-2017, 07:20 AM   #3
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Re: NL100 KJo top 2

Fold pre, especially with all those SS behind you.

Flop is annoying, but I probably jam and pay him off. Not sure why you dont have AQ/Q9s in his range.
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Old 01-05-2017, 01:30 PM   #4
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Re: NL100 KJo top 2

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Fold pre, especially with all those SS behind you.

Flop is annoying, but I probably jam and pay him off. Not sure why you dont have AQ/Q9s in his range.
Obv I do have those in his range. Analyzing after the hand, I gave him a looser range which includes pair+draw and bottom 2, and a tight range which is only sets, straights, KJ and KT. It's about 50/50 when I open him up, but I've only got about 15% vs the tight range. (I no longer have #s in front of me, it was something lik that.) The debate is which range is more likely to be correct. Folding top 2 sucks but I felt in this spot it was best, folded the turn to his slightly less than AI bet.
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Old 01-12-2017, 04:02 PM   #5
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Re: NL100 KJo top 2

Calling flop and folding to turn shove vs a short stack is one of your worst options.

If he's any kind of fish then just shove when he has ~<=50 BBs.
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Old 01-13-2017, 01:22 AM   #6
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Re: NL100 KJo top 2

This hand vs that stack/player is a flop decision, not a turn decision.
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Old 01-16-2017, 12:52 AM   #7
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Re: NL100 KJo top 2

If he had 49bbs you should've gone for it, but with 51, it's a clear fold. It may be closer due to rake.
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Old 01-16-2017, 10:34 PM   #8
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i've been playing live for a year, back to online after a long time off. New to this forum. Clearly I had hoped for better than this.

Over a decent sample the guy raises cbets almost never. That's why I posted, expecting a decent discussion. Instead it's like NVG trolling. gla, i'll unsub now.
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Old 01-16-2017, 11:50 PM   #9
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Re: NL100 KJo top 2

tbf to my fellow posters, only I trolled you. You got a few comments. Not sure what else you expect. It's pretty clear to me what to do in this hand and the posters covered it.

Fold pre. It's far too loose to open here because you're going to be oop the entire hand far too often. It's also a hand that doesn't play well multiway which is a concern with 6 people behind.

Flop is a fold or a 3-bet (as Melea and wheatrich said). You make your decision here. You have a read so go with it. Fold your hand.
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Old 01-20-2017, 09:57 PM   #10
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Re: NL100 KJo top 2

IF the guy never raises a CBET it is probably a could time to fold. I would have preferred to check the flop.
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Old 01-27-2017, 08:14 PM   #11
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Re: NL100 KJo top 2

Hi.

I like call flop raise, i think still have equiti, i think top two is the worst hand that we call flop, and fold turn against a ship.
The meta in nl100 its too nit and he cant think we fold something when call flop.

I think that if have something of equiti make a bihind turn. Aggainst a agro short stack i call flop and call the ship turn.
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Old 02-05-2017, 05:19 PM   #12
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Re: NL100 KJo top 2

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i've been playing live for a year, back to online after a long time off. New to this forum. Clearly I had hoped for better than this.

Over a decent sample the guy raises cbets almost never. That's why I posted, expecting a decent discussion. Instead it's like NVG trolling. gla, i'll unsub now.
You had an 80% success rate of posters giving a serious response, which soon became 100%. You realise 100% is the highest possible, right?
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Old 02-18-2017, 03:49 PM   #13
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Re: NL100 KJo top 2

I don't like the raise pre, especially from such early position. KJo doesn't play well against good hands that would call the raise. I'd rather make the move with suited connectors or a small/mid pocket pair. However, if they're fishy enough to call with worse cards, then it's a good move.

On the flop, I don't think he has KK, JJ or AK, because he probably would have raised pre with those. I'd put him on lower 2pair (KJ, JT), pair + draw (KQ, QJ, QT), set of tens (TT), or a straight (AQ, Q9). Against the hands you beat, a re-raise would probably scare him off. Against the tens, it probably wouldn't be enough to get him to fold. So I'd call. On the turn, I'd probably fold to a (big enough) bet, because I'd eliminate pair + draw from his range if he bet the turn (assuming the turn doesn't complete the draw; if it does, easy fold).
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Old 04-04-2017, 09:00 PM   #14
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Re: NL100 KJo top 2

I agree with posters saying not to raise pre UNLESS you are at a super loose or super tight table. With that being said, ship the flop, only hand you are afraid of that are feasible is AQ and Q9s. If he has higher two pairs, oh well. Guy prolly has KQ or something like that and you are doing "meh" at best.
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