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Do people only stack-off with the nuts at two hundo? Do people only stack-off with the nuts at two hundo?

05-13-2014 , 02:30 PM
In this hand, there's a lot of heart, and a lot of value lost:

PokerStars - $2 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

MP: $200.00
MP+1: $204.60
LP: $117.35
Pokie (CO): $200.00
BTN: $121.40
SB: $200.00
BB: $200.00
UTG: $203.00
UTG+1: $200.00

SB posts SB $1.00, BB posts BB $2.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Pokie has A 7

fold, UTG+1 raises to $4.00, fold, fold, fold, Pokie calls $4.00, fold, fold, BB calls $2.00

Flop: ($13.00, 3 players) 3 4 5
BB bets $8.19, UTG+1 calls $8.19, Pokie calls $8.19

Turn: ($37.57, 3 players) 9
BB checks, UTG+1 bets $18.00, Pokie raises to $48.00, fold, UTG+1 calls $30.00

River: ($133.57, 2 players) T
UTG+1 checks, Pokie bets $102.00, UTG+1 calls $102.00

Spoiler:
Pokie shows A 7 (Flush, Ace High) (Pre 59%, Flop 84%, Turn 100%)
UTG+1 mucks T K (Flush, King High) (Pre 41%, Flop 16%, Turn 0%)
Pokie wins $334.77
05-13-2014 , 02:49 PM
Just a suggestion, and I may be wrong, and either way I imagine it's not a big deal anyway, but...

For hands such as this, which is really more of a comment, and one that is limited in its discussion and never likely to get much of a response, it may be better to just post it in the regs thread rather than give it it's own thread.

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As regards the hand, his play is fine. Against a fish I'd shove but vs a reg you're often calling knowing that you're beat. After all, you have 7 combos of AXs, and only 3 combos of heart SCs.

You might want to make it $58 on the turn though, leaving $130 back with a $153 river pot.

Last edited by MeleaB; 05-13-2014 at 02:55 PM.
05-14-2014 , 07:55 AM
and which hands shud he blufraise here after a 3way flop?

maybe i would have folded kt in his shoes cause i dont think u raise lower flushes at all and give u no bluffs u play this way....
05-14-2014 , 08:06 AM
People tend to show you the nuts if you're the kinda guy to showdown with the nuts a lot. Get bluffin and you'll start to get bluffed
05-14-2014 , 09:47 AM
Consider what % of your river betting range is Axhh here, given previous action.

Nuts/2nd nuts spots are not created equal.
05-14-2014 , 12:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AAwasmyLIFE
and which hands shud he blufraise here after a 3way flop?

maybe i would have folded kt in his shoes cause i dont think u raise lower flushes at all and give u no bluffs u play this way....
I raise all flushes, no matter how small, (assuming it's a flush with three of your suit on the board).

The chance of having flush over flush should be rarer than set over set, because you get flushes less often than sets. I haven't done the maths on this, I'm just thinking this is the case from an intuitive standpoint.
05-14-2014 , 01:47 PM
but when the turn is 3 way its likely someone already has a flush so i guess u dont have enough bluffs to balance when u raise like here ?

i mean look at utgs range here. he calls on flop then bets turn, would u bluff here at all?

if i play against 1 player (tag) its standard for me to just raise all flushes cause ranges so light, easy to balance.
08-06-2014 , 09:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doofus Krondelly
I raise all flushes, no matter how small, (assuming it's a flush with three of your suit on the board).

The chance of having flush over flush should be rarer than set over set, because you get flushes less often than sets. I haven't done the maths on this, I'm just thinking this is the case from an intuitive standpoint.
This may be misleading. In a vacuum, flush over flush may well be more rare than set over set. However situations where we are considering possiblility of flush over flush occur given that there are 3 of the same suit are already present on the board We are now dealing with a conditional probability: probability of flush over flush - given that 3 of same suit is present on board. Imo this is more likely than an analagous spot where we are considering set over set.

Having said that there may be run outs where flush over flush will be less likely and we need to decide by counting combos but on average I believe flush over flush has more combos than set over set.

      
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