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07-21-2014 , 10:15 PM
Villain is one the best regs in the 50 NL Zoom FR pool.

18/14, 34% afreq and had him at 52% WWSF after 569 hands

F3bet of 13% (1/8) and had 4bet a couple times already (4/8)

Fold to flop cbet of 36% and fold to turn cbet of 33%

Had raised one of my cbet in 10 occasions.

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
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SB: $50.03 (100.1 bb)
BB: $21.75 (43.5 bb)
UTG+1: $59.92 (119.8 bb)
UTG+2: $65.88 (131.8 bb)
MP1: $50 (100 bb)
MP2: $57.62 (115.2 bb)
MP3: $61.50 (123 bb)
CO: $91.91 (183.8 bb)
Hero (BTN): $50.58 (101.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A A
5 folds, CO raises to $1.25, Hero raises to $4.30, 2 folds, CO calls $3.05

Flop: ($9.35) 5 6 5 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $6, CO calls $6

Turn: ($21.35) 6 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $13, CO calls $13

River: ($47.35) 7 (2 players)
CO bets $68.61 and is all-in, Hero ?
07-21-2014 , 10:25 PM
i'd check back turn, as played sigh fold i guess, only hand he might do this with that you beat i think is busted heart draw but idk
07-21-2014 , 11:11 PM
Not even Vincent Willie circa 2008 would fold this hand.
07-22-2014 , 02:17 AM
i think you're underestimating 2008 vinivici's ability to fold aces
07-22-2014 , 10:16 AM
He was so good that it was rumoured he even folded them pre on occasion.
07-22-2014 , 02:37 PM
with your pre sizing, 50nl general nitiness and your blockers this is a fold for me
07-23-2014 , 02:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Strokahontas
i'd check back turn
wtf
07-23-2014 , 06:33 AM
not sure you can fold, what 5x and 6x do you expect him to be calling pre with that isn't super blocked/few combos? sucks we block both NFDs, but i think i just call to see how i lose which will happen almost 100%

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07-23-2014 , 09:05 AM
this is what u do in most of ur hands anyway no?


anyway this hand is typical for nl50, the home of the alpha mongos.
op wrote this guy is a good player (well crusher on nl50 doesnt mean good player since all are so bad on nl50) but i doubt he is with this line.

when he shoves why would he ever do that with quads or the very rare 77. i would probably call thinking hes on tilt or sth (actually since most regulars are really not thinking on nl50 i would call just because of that already).

Quote:
Originally Posted by LordRiverRat;i'd check back turn
wtf

Strokahontas

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Last edited by AAwasmyLIFE; 07-23-2014 at 09:29 AM.
07-23-2014 , 10:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AAwasmyLIFE
this is what u do in most of ur hands anyway no?


anyway this hand is typical for nl50, the home of the alpha mongos.
op wrote this guy is a good player (well crusher on nl50 doesnt mean good player since all are so bad on nl50) but i doubt he is with this line.

when he shoves why would he ever do that with quads or the very rare 77. i would probably call thinking hes on tilt or sth (actually since most regulars are really not thinking on nl50 i would call just because of that already).



Strokahontas

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Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: 3tabling 10nl in the dining hall
Someone make this guy a mod already.
07-23-2014 , 12:02 PM
I like Tonna's line of calling to see what we're beaten by.

"Ahh, yeah... Six, Seven o' clubs. 'course."
07-23-2014 , 12:12 PM
wanna know my line.
07-23-2014 , 01:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AAwasmyLIFE
wanna know my line.
Fold and then start a thread about it?
07-23-2014 , 04:09 PM
Given your small sample of him not folding to 3bets I think its safe to assume he has 89hh 89dd often enough that we cant call. This is one of the worst bluffcatchers we can have vs someone you consider to be one of the best regs.
07-23-2014 , 05:09 PM
nobody asked u nitfish
07-23-2014 , 07:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by YaDaDaMeeN21
Given your small sample of him not folding to 3bets I think its safe to assume he has 89hh 89dd often enough that we cant call. This is one of the worst bluffcatchers we can have vs someone you consider to be one of the best regs.
Yeah, I'm changing my guess from 76cc to 98hh/dd
07-24-2014 , 05:19 PM
Aight thanks a lot for the replies guys. Was stunned with his play in game since I was about to shove river myself. In retrospect, and after reading all your replies, folding looks good.
07-25-2014 , 01:07 AM
77 every time. Somebody wanna bet?

And tis is fr so shipping 89 here would be a bluff and people at nl50 dont bluff
07-25-2014 , 05:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tobe4funas
with your pre sizing, 50nl general nitiness and your blockers this is a fold for me
pretty much agree with this.
07-25-2014 , 06:57 PM
55, 66, 77, 56, 89s are all possible if he folds to 3-bets as infrequently as you imply he does (small sample, I know). Your hand looks a lot like what it is, so if he's got a monster there he could easily be shoving for value knowing you're not going to want to fold.

In game I probably sigh and, as an earlier poster said, call to see what I'm beaten by. But in the cold light of day I think this is a fold, especially at 50nl where the bluffing is rare.
08-05-2014 , 12:09 PM
Slam my head against the desk, acknowledge I got put in a cage and fold. Remove myself from the cage and move to the next hand.
08-07-2014 , 08:10 AM
The turn is a pretty serious GT problem as you can have very few 6x and quads hands compared with him. I'm not sure it is correct to further narrow his range by betting and exacerbate this problem. I doubt there is a ton of value in betting anyway given his ability to rawdog you like this vs your capped range.

I don't see a lot of three street potential anyway given that Ax and stuff like 88-99 has an easy fold to your bet and is drawing thin besides. He probably would 4-bet JJ-KK pre.
08-07-2014 , 09:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Renton555
The turn is a pretty serious GT problem as you can have very few 6x and quads hands compared with him. I'm not sure it is correct to further narrow his range by betting and exacerbate this problem. I doubt there is a ton of value in betting anyway given his ability to rawdog you like this vs your capped range.

I don't see a lot of three street potential anyway given that Ax and stuff like 88-99 has an easy fold to your bet and is drawing thin besides. He probably would 4-bet JJ-KK pre.
Yeah, after talking it over and over with my friend who plays small stakes, we came to a conclusion that turn should be a x vs that opponent.

Betting 3 streets here is ambitious indeed.

      
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