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Old 07-25-2012, 07:18 PM   #1
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Question Aces facing huge raise, is this a fold?

Ok here's another weird hand. SB is 15/11 with a 4% 3bet but 6% squeeze and BTN is 24/8 over 600 hands, 1% 3bet and 67% fold to cbet.






My thinking is he has a set because he doesnt raise flops much and with the guy who 3bet left behind him his shove seems suuuuper strong.


    Merge, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13580592

    SB: $200 (100 bb)
    BB: $269.50 (134.8 bb)
    Hero (UTG+1): $255.22 (127.6 bb)
    UTG+2: $200 (100 bb)
    MP1: $200 (100 bb)
    MP2: $88.60 (44.3 bb)
    MP3: $100 (50 bb)
    CO: $248.97 (124.5 bb)
    BTN: $403.33 (201.7 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A A
    Hero raises to $7, 5 folds, BTN calls $7, SB raises to $30, BB folds, Hero calls $23, BTN calls $23

    Flop: ($92) 6 T 3 (3 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $40, BTN raises to $373.33 and is all-in, SB folds, Hero calls $185.22 and is all-in

    Turn: ($542.44) 2 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
    River: ($542.44) 6 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

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    Old 07-25-2012, 07:41 PM   #2
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    Re: Aces facing huge raise, is this a fold?

    Don't call 3bets OOP. You might be IP vs the 3bettor but when the btn overcalls you will be OOP both actually and relatively.

    On the flop you should "check to the raiser" and give him a chance to bluff you. Once he raises here you really dont beat much. there are no flushdraws he can have and he wouldnt "bluff raise" because the fish is behind him and is a big risk to call. He probably has a set hoping the fish will have a hand like JJ/QQ/KK/AA because of his 1% 3bet and make the call (the button wouldnt have QQ or KK because he would have "re-popped" you preflop himself)
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    Old 07-25-2012, 07:45 PM   #3
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    Question Re: Aces facing huge raise, is this a fold?

    you make an interesting point about being out of position but how can I check to the raiser on the flop? the raiser was SB and he already checked. do you mean I should check to the fish hoping he'll take a stab so i can checkraise him?

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    Old 07-25-2012, 07:49 PM   #4
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    my bad completely misread the positions and the hand. your turn bet is fine and now you should "snap" since with his 1% 3bet he really cant have any of the sets here and in all likelihood he has pocket kings. i like to call this "inducing the dragon" as opposed to "milking the goat" which is what we would do if we were to try and take a c/c line
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    Old 07-25-2012, 07:52 PM   #5
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    Question Re: Aces facing huge raise, is this a fold?

    I'm confused mate. How can he not have any of the sets when in this precise hand he shows up with 33?
    And also, don't you think he might be scared of me having the set because I just called preflop and now I'm betting so that he's not going to go crazy with KK because I might have the set?

    And i don't know about that naming, I'm not sure you can call a passive fish a dragon but goat isn't very good either maybe just call it giving the fish some line?

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    Old 07-25-2012, 07:54 PM   #6
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    Re: Aces facing huge raise, is this a fold?

    oops misread the hand again. thought the 24/8 with the 1% 3bettor was the guy who squeezed/jammed the flop. im clearly having some reading issues right now so ill leave this one to the pros
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    Old 07-25-2012, 07:56 PM   #7
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    Re: Aces facing huge raise, is this a fold?

    Thanks for the intention man too bad tho you seemed to be one of the more friendly people around here actually willing to give advise
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    Old 07-25-2012, 08:37 PM   #8
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    Re: Aces facing huge raise, is this a fold?

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    Thanks for the intention man too bad tho you seemed to be one of the more friendly people around here actually willing to give advise
    You're asking beginner questions in a non-beginner forum. Play micro-stakes and post in the micro-forum. You'll lose less, get sensible answers, and learn quicker. It's a win/win/win situation for you.

    EDIT: Ignore the above. Just realized the account is a level. A very good one to be fair though. Clearly a piss take of the Deco354 account. 10/10.

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    Old 07-26-2012, 08:16 AM   #9
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    Re: Aces facing huge raise, is this a fold?

    Mr. SA16:


    After viewing your most recent post it has come to my attention that I may have the meaning of some poker terms confused. Up to this point, I've always used the term "milking the goat" to refer to value betting. Logically, "inducing the dragon" would then refer to taking a more passive line to get an aggressive, maniacal opponent to attack me with his chips.

    I often use poker software to ensure I am getting accurate reads on my opponents. For example, on Pokerstars, I use the Pokerstars client to color code my opponents based on the creature types described above and others. As of right now, I'm color coding people who raise and re-raise a lot before the flop, and bet a lot red like fire so I know they are dragons. More goat like players I label green like grass to remind me of a goat. Am I using poker software correctly here, or do I need to change to match these animal terms.


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    Old 07-26-2012, 08:27 AM   #10
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    Re: Aces facing huge raise, is this a fold?

    Amazing stuff.
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    Old 07-26-2012, 09:18 AM   #11
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    Re: Aces facing huge raise, is this a fold?

    Juggernaut,

    I would recommend you color code your players in HEM rather than the client. While it might be effective on the pokerstars client, the Lock poker client does not give you the ability to effectively color code players (it won't show up in the lobby anyway). Additionally I am sure some other euro sites have similar issues (not euro but I know on Merge you used to have to tag people with chips, fish, sharks etc...rather than a color although that has been changed now). Also, if you are replaying your hands in the HEM replayer post session your color codes will not show up if you used the client while if you used HEM you will have full access to your goats, dragons, and any other animal instincts that might be available.

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    Old 07-26-2012, 11:59 AM   #12
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    Re: Aces facing huge raise, is this a fold?

    SA16,


    What is HEM? Is that a poker site? How are the 1/2 No Limit Holdem games?

    Be sure that I have every ANLXMALINSTICT I've played against color coded in the client, but you're saying I should do more in case I want to review later?



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    Old 07-26-2012, 12:35 PM   #13
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    Re: Aces facing huge raise, is this a fold?

    wheres the brolove.

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    Old 07-26-2012, 08:39 PM   #14
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    Re: Aces facing huge raise, is this a fold?

    induce the dragon is golden
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