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Old 03-13-2017, 08:48 PM   #1
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50 NL good spot to bluff?

I called the flop with the intention on stealing the pot as these kind of flops wont hit villain often Opinions on river bluff attempt?


PokerStars - €0.50 NL (8 max) - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 199.06 BB (VPIP: 22.58, PFR: 19.35, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 33)
CO: 155.9 BB (VPIP: 27.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 8.82, Hands: 203)
BTN: 92.48 BB (VPIP: 31.48, PFR: 7.41, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 56)
SB: 72.7 BB (VPIP: 24.33, PFR: 18.40, 3Bet Preflop: 7.27, Hands: 345)
Hero (BB): 108.16 BB
UTG: 101.5 BB (VPIP: 16.56, PFR: 13.38, 3Bet Preflop: 2.44, Hands: 158)
UTG+1: 142.08 BB (VPIP: 17.13, PFR: 11.60, 3Bet Preflop: 4.41, Hands: 184)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8 6

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 2 BB, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop: (4 BB, 2 players) 3 2 9
SB bets 2 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

Turn: (8 BB, 2 players) J
SB checks, Hero bets 4 BB, SB calls 4 BB

River: (16 BB, 2 players) 9
SB checks, Hero bets 9 BB, SB calls 9 BB

Hero shows 8 6 (One Pair, Nines)
(Pre 34%, Flop 20%, Turn 27%)
SB shows 7 7 (Two Pair, Nines and Sevens)
(Pre 66%, Flop 80%, Turn 73%)
SB wins 32.3 BB
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Old 03-13-2017, 09:05 PM   #2
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Re: 50 NL good spot to bluff?

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I called the flop with the intention on stealing the pot as these kind of flops wont hit villain often Opinions on river bluff attempt?


PokerStars - €0.50 NL (8 max) - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 199.06 BB (VPIP: 22.58, PFR: 19.35, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 33)
CO: 155.9 BB (VPIP: 27.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 8.82, Hands: 203)
BTN: 92.48 BB (VPIP: 31.48, PFR: 7.41, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 56)
SB: 72.7 BB (VPIP: 24.33, PFR: 18.40, 3Bet Preflop: 7.27, Hands: 345)
Hero (BB): 108.16 BB
UTG: 101.5 BB (VPIP: 16.56, PFR: 13.38, 3Bet Preflop: 2.44, Hands: 158)
UTG+1: 142.08 BB (VPIP: 17.13, PFR: 11.60, 3Bet Preflop: 4.41, Hands: 184)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 850 NL good spot to bluff?: 650 NL good spot to bluff?:

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 2 BB, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop: (4 BB, 2 players) 350 NL good spot to bluff?: 250 NL good spot to bluff?: 950 NL good spot to bluff?
SB bets 2 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

Turn: (8 BB, 2 players) J50 NL good spot to bluff?:
SB checks, Hero bets 4 BB, SB calls 4 BB

River: (16 BB, 2 players) 950 NL good spot to bluff?:
SB checks, Hero bets 9 BB, SB calls 9 BB

Hero shows 850 NL good spot to bluff?: 650 NL good spot to bluff?: (One Pair, Nines)
(Pre 34%, Flop 20%, Turn 27%)
SB shows 750 NL good spot to bluff? 750 NL good spot to bluff?: (Two Pair, Nines and Sevens)
(Pre 66%, Flop 80%, Turn 73%)
SB wins 32.3 BB
This is a bad spot to bluff. Flush missed and the boards paired. The line you took doesn't convey strength so you cant represent a strong hand. When you bet your hand looks exactly like what it is.

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Old 03-13-2017, 09:32 PM   #3
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Re: 50 NL good spot to bluff?

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This is a bad spot to bluff. Flush missed and the boards paired. The line you took doesn't convey strength so you cant represent a strong hand. When you bet your hand looks exactly like what it is.

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But I called the flop and bet the turn, I would play a 9x or 22/33 exactly the same?
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Old 03-13-2017, 10:41 PM   #4
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But I called the flop and bet the turn, I would play a 9x or 22/33 exactly the same?
There are very few Jacks in your range. A paired board makes it unlikely you have a 9. A flopped set bets bigger at every stage of this hand. If you want to steal don't limp in. Your line looks weak at every step here. The hands you are trying to "represent" would show far more strength on multiple streets.

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Old 03-16-2017, 04:28 PM   #5
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Re: 50 NL good spot to bluff?

I think when he calls the turn it means he has a little something. Then, I agree that your line would resemble a busted flush. When you are playing trips that way, it's because you want to look weak.
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Old 03-18-2017, 08:48 PM   #6
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But I called the flop and bet the turn, I would play a 9x or 22/33 exactly the same?
Sure but you actually have 86s here that had nothing otf. Given that, it's not like your range is mostly value hands. 9x is few combos when it pairs and 22/33 are 6 combos. It's bvb and people are going to call down lighter. Also 9x is a candidate to actually check turn. His play is standard and good. With a different river, your play can be fine but when it pairs and he says ott "I have sdv", it's a bad bluff.
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Old 03-20-2017, 08:58 AM   #7
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Re: 50 NL good spot to bluff?

flop is fine, 86s is a decent float with the backdoor flush and straights.

OTT you should bet bigger, make it 6-7 dollars, you can opt to overbet if you do the same with J9/sets here.

OTR it's hard for you to have many good hands, villain has a lot of 9x, probably a bad river to bluff, I think you should continue bluffing on A/K/T/Q rivers.
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Old 03-20-2017, 07:02 PM   #8
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Re: 50 NL good spot to bluff?

i don't think turn sizing is that big a deal. we can bet quite a few 9x for value ott (and for this reason can rep a wider value range otr).

as for best river bluffing combos, probably some floats that don't have spades or block some of villains weaker turn calls (high card straight draws/overcards i guess) and do an ok job of blocking some of villains 9x that cbet flop and x/c turn fairly often, 78 and T8 kinda stuff (i guess club combos are the best ones of these).
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